Government Shutdown
09-29-2023 | 06:49 AM
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It helps if you understand that shutdowns are all pomp & posturing. They inconvenience everyone & accomplish very little beyond proving that certain congressmen are willing to “stand their ground”; which of course, after proving, they ultimately back down from.
09-29-2023 | 07:26 AM
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What happened last time? I don’t remember. One thing I don’t understand is why the government gives backpay to employees for work they didn’t do. They furlough the non-essential employees, then make them whole when they come back from furlough.
The TSA and ATC aren’t working for free. They’re working for delayed pay.
The TSA and ATC aren’t working for free. They’re working for delayed pay.
And while ATC can typically float their expenses for a month or two, the TSA Gangsterz are far more likely to live hand to mouth like any other rank-and-file Americans. Last time this dragged out, many of them had to just quit and get other jobs.
I would expect staffing to drop a bit on day one, and then to gradually decline over time. For TSA, their throughput is probably linear with staffing. But the ATC impact, if it gets bad enough, can trigger airline meltdowns or mass cancellations to prevent same.
Also Mayor Pete said that ATC training would stop, so if it drags out, any retirees won't be replaced.
Mitigating factor right now is that it's supposed to be the travel slow season? Although it didn't look very slow at the airports I've seen this week.
09-29-2023 | 07:27 AM
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millions of our military personnel will have pay withheld while in shutdown but will get it in lump sum when signed into law. I’ve gone through it many times and it’s a hiccup at best. The services mutual aid will cover personnel who are short cash with small term/no interest loans…
TSA won't benefit from an outpouring of public love
09-29-2023 | 07:28 AM
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Problem is, that some will resent working for free and call in sick, especially if it drags on.
Also while ATC can typically float their expenses for a month or two, the TSA Gangsterz are far more likely to live hand to mouth like any other rank-and-file Americans. Last time this dragged out, many of them had to just quit and get other jobs.
I would expect staffing to drop a bit on day one, and then to gradually decline over time. For TSA, their throughput is probably linear with staffing. But the ATC impact, if it gets bad enough, can trigger airline meltdowns or mass cancellations to prevent same.
Also Mayor Pete said that ATC training would stop, so if it drags out, any retirees won't be replaced.
Mitigating factor right now is that it's supposed to be the travel slow season? Although it didn't look very slow at the airports I've seen this week.
Also while ATC can typically float their expenses for a month or two, the TSA Gangsterz are far more likely to live hand to mouth like any other rank-and-file Americans. Last time this dragged out, many of them had to just quit and get other jobs.
I would expect staffing to drop a bit on day one, and then to gradually decline over time. For TSA, their throughput is probably linear with staffing. But the ATC impact, if it gets bad enough, can trigger airline meltdowns or mass cancellations to prevent same.
Also Mayor Pete said that ATC training would stop, so if it drags out, any retirees won't be replaced.
Mitigating factor right now is that it's supposed to be the travel slow season? Although it didn't look very slow at the airports I've seen this week.
09-29-2023 | 07:30 AM
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09-29-2023 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual;[url=tel:3703573
3703573[/url]]millions of our military personnel will have pay withheld while in shutdown but will get it in lump sum when signed into law. I’ve gone through it many times and it’s a hiccup at best. The services mutual aid will cover personnel who are short cash with small term/no interest loans…
09-29-2023 | 08:39 AM
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Silver lining for airlines... Mayor Pete loses his authority to tax them, so they get a break for the duration. Unlike civil service pay, he probably can't claw it back later.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...tdown-00118485
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...tdown-00118485
09-29-2023 | 08:44 AM
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Spoken like an officer who wasn’t living paycheck to paycheck with mouths to feed. It’s a helluva lot more than a hiccup to many who are scared of not getting a paycheck. Yeah, I saw plenty of them in 22 years, it’s disgusting political posturing that hurts no one but the constituents.
09-29-2023 | 08:45 AM
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Spoken like an officer who wasn’t living paycheck to paycheck with mouths to feed. It’s a helluva lot more than a hiccup to many who are scared of not getting a paycheck. Yeah, I saw plenty of them in 22 years, it’s disgusting political posturing that hurts no one but the constituents.
The one time I was on AD when it happened, the senior folks brought breakfast and lunch in for junior enlisted (galley access not practical), and did grocery collections for those who needed it at home. That was NCOs and officers, who were also not getting paid, reaching into their own savings and credit cards.
It was harder for the dependents of folks deployed at sea though, the various aid and relief organizations had to step in but as far as I could see they got a lot of public support for that cause.
09-29-2023 | 08:53 AM
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Bitter much? Or maybe you were in a different branch, with more of a "me" outlook.
The one time I was on AD when it happened, the senior folks brought breakfast and lunch in for junior enlisted (galley access not practical), and did grocery collections for those who needed it at home. That was NCOs and officers, who were also not get paid, reaching into their own savings and credit cards.
It was harder for the dependents of folks deployed at sea though, the various aid and relief organizations had to step in but as far as I could see they got a lot of public support for that cause.
The one time I was on AD when it happened, the senior folks brought breakfast and lunch in for junior enlisted (galley access not practical), and did grocery collections for those who needed it at home. That was NCOs and officers, who were also not get paid, reaching into their own savings and credit cards.
It was harder for the dependents of folks deployed at sea though, the various aid and relief organizations had to step in but as far as I could see they got a lot of public support for that cause.
bottom line is government shutdowns shouldn’t happen…
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