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AA717driver 03-11-2024 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by PineappleXpres (Post 3780349)
It’s aero crew, but the quotes voices are speaking facts.

https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...rtage-is-over/?

Dont put too much stock into APA quotes.

Bahamasflyer 03-11-2024 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3779920)
I have myself made a concious decision to work less going forward. Decided I'd rather work less for the same money than work the same for more money. I regularly trade down in value to work less days and/or avoid working days I'd rather not work.

But I haven't ran into anyone else doing the same. Everyone I know and everyone I fly with, to a person, talk about how they're maximizing their pay and what their pay is or some such.


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3780087)
I've done exactly that. New CBA and I've cut 20% of my hours out. Basically 1 fewer 3 day a month. Its been great. Still making more but not tired and dreading going to work.

IDK how you guys can just drop down like that, unless your very very senior and you have such great trips that people will pickup at straight time??


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 3780130)
It’s because pilots like to show off how much money we can make, or how do we play the system.

Thats why I took the upgrade. I can work 40hrs and pay my bills. I can work 65hrs and save money. Or I can work 75+ hrs and get money for other projects while still enjoying 15-17days off.

Thats without overtime and without working the system. QOL all the way!

As a presumably very junior CA, how the hell do you just drop down to 40 hrs?

m3113n1a1 03-12-2024 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3780599)
IDK how you guys can just drop down like that, unless your very very senior and you have such great trips that people will pickup at straight time??



As a presumably very junior CA, how the hell do you just drop down to 40 hrs?

At DL it's fairly easy most months.. maybe not as easy during the busy summer months, but still possible if you're creative.

Extenda 03-12-2024 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3780599)
IDK how you guys can just drop down like that, unless your very very senior and you have such great trips that people will pickup at straight time??



As a presumably very junior CA, how the hell do you just drop down to 40 hrs?

80% March NYC ER A I screwed up my bid and got a line I didn’t want instead of reserve. I got 2 five day trips and CQ. Tossed the 5 days on the pickup board when the schedules came out and they were both gone within 30 minutes. I think it’s entirely category dependent though.

FangsF15 03-12-2024 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3780599)
...As a presumably very junior CA, how the hell do you just drop down to 40 hrs?

To add to the above, at DL... "Bad day, worse day" is a regularly used technique. This is oversimplified, but you can drop a multi-day trip well in the future, where there is "plenty" of reserve availablity (on paper), by "swapping" into a near-term 1-day trip with almost no reserve coverage left. Basically, they gladly let you create a future problem by solving a near-term problem. In some cases, you can swap multiple long trips for a sinlge short trip that's soon. Once you know how, it's not hard at all. Lots of pilots at all seniority levels drop thier entire schedule down to 0, and rebuild back up with easy 1 or 2-day trips with one leg and a deadhead, for example.

highfarfast 03-12-2024 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3780599)
IDK how you guys can just drop down like that, unless your very very senior and you have such great trips that people will pickup at straight time??



As a presumably very junior CA, how the hell do you just drop down to 40 hrs?

I am less than one year in at AA. I trade down in days and value pretty easily. Trade off weekends pretty easy as long as the trade is is done earlier, later in the month, not so much. Straight drops are near impssible with 4 day trips but I ve made it happen with two and one day trips. I can't do just anything I want, but I have a pretty good schedule for being junior, I think. It does seem I spend more time on my PBS bids and trading than the senior guys I fly with.

Jdub2 03-12-2024 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3780748)
To add to the above, at DL... "Bad day, worse day" is a regularly used technique. This is oversimplified, but you can drop a multi-day trip well in the future, where there is "plenty" of reserve availablity (on paper), by "swapping" into a near-term 1-day trip with almost no reserve coverage left. Basically, they gladly let you create a future problem by solving a near-term problem. In some cases, you can swap multiple long trips for a sinlge short trip that's soon. Once you know how, it's not hard at all. Lots of pilots at all seniority levels drop thier entire schedule down to 0, and rebuild back up with easy 1 or 2-day trips with one leg and a deadhead, for example.

god fangs I love you so much

Pacman 03-13-2024 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3779920)
I have myself made a concious decision to work less going forward. Decided I'd rather work less for the same money than work the same for more money. I regularly trade down in value to work less days and/or avoid working days I'd rather not work.

But I haven't ran into anyone else doing the same. Everyone I know and everyone I fly with, to a person, talk about how they're maximizing their pay and what their pay is or some such.

Part of this is from working through the lost decade, some of us feel like frugal grandparents who lived through the Great Depression. I'll go down in hours if the pay goes down again, or when I've made enough to leave the job. There is a mentality about leaving money on the table that's hard to break.

rickair7777 03-13-2024 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Pacman (Post 3781021)
Part of this is from working through the lost decade, some of us feel like frugal grandparents who lived through the Great Depression. I'll go down in hours if the pay goes down again, or when I've made enough to leave the job. There is a mentality about leaving money on the table that's hard to break.

Yeah that's a thing. Few folks have as much opportunity and flexibility to just make as much large bank whenever they want as we do. Those who have seen the lean times don't take that opportunity lightly.

highfarfast 03-13-2024 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Pacman (Post 3781021)
Part of this is from working through the lost decade, some of us feel like frugal grandparents who lived through the Great Depression. I'll go down in hours if the pay goes down again, or when I've made enough to leave the job. There is a mentality about leaving money on the table that's hard to break.


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3781073)
Yeah that's a thing. Few folks have as much opportunity and flexibility to just make as much large bank whenever they want as we do. Those who have seen the lean times don't take that opportunity lightly.

I'm old enough to have experienced the lost decade from the very bottom of it. It stunk. But my rational comes from the fact I have no one in my family tree that has made it more than a frew years past 65. I want to make sure I have time off to enjoy this fine income before it's too late for me.


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