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Old 09-30-2025 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You can scoff if you want. Your prerogative. Kinda like buying stock options....it's the timing of the bet that's important.

20 years from now when FSD cars are the norm not the exception, military/cargo aircraft are flying automatously , and the public has embraced the technology....?

As long as humans keep effing flying ops up killing people, and the general public understands that planes have had to "fly themselves" in the most demanding weather for years and years and years....they might(will?) change their tune. Featherbedding will be the only stop-gap.
remember flying cars being talked about in the 70s/80s? We are no closer to that than single pilot ops.
Old 09-30-2025 | 12:37 PM
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Along the lines of this thread drift, who other than UA and DL have CBAs that codify multi-pilot operations?
Old 09-30-2025 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You can scoff if you want. Your prerogative. Kinda like buying stock options....it's the timing of the bet that's important.

20 years from now when FSD cars are the norm not the exception, military/cargo aircraft are flying automatously , and the public has embraced the technology....?

As long as humans keep effing flying ops up killing people, and the general public understands that planes have had to "fly themselves" in the most demanding weather for years and years and years....they might(will?) change their tune. Featherbedding will be the only stop-gap.
The Pro67 crowd are the loudest about single pilot coming. There goes any supposed benefit the 67 extension grants those who would suffer from it.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
The Pro67 crowd are the loudest about single pilot coming. There goes any supposed benefit the 67 extension grants those who would suffer from it.
Could you imagine the horror of of single pilot ops for the pro 67 crowd.. I mean who are they gonna show their paystubs or pictures of all their cars and boats to?

not to mention who’s gonna wake them up enroute.
Old 09-30-2025 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
The Pro67 crowd are the loudest about single pilot coming. There goes any supposed benefit the 67 extension grants those who would suffer from it.
By the time single-pilot operations become viable, the children of the pro-67 crowd will likely be in nursing homes.

Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
Could you imagine the horror of of single pilot ops for the pro 67 crowd.. I mean who are they gonna show their paystubs or pictures of all their cars and boats to?

not to mention who’s gonna wake them up enroute.
having flown with many of the over 60 crowd it's pretty much already single pilot.
Old 09-30-2025 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You can scoff if you want. Your prerogative. Kinda like buying stock options....it's the timing of the bet that's important.

20 years from now when FSD cars are the norm not the exception, military/cargo aircraft are flying automatously , and the public has embraced the technology....?

As long as humans keep effing flying ops up killing people, and the general public understands that planes have had to "fly themselves" in the most demanding weather for years and years and years....they might(will?) change their tune. Featherbedding will be the only stop-gap.
a self driving car is one thing, a plane full of people is completely and will always be completely different.

the military can’t keep preds from going lost link, they won’t be flying unmanned cargo in the NAS anytime soon. Not to mention Until there is such thing as an un-hackable system (will never exist) no one is getting on a passenger airliner that doesn’t have a human at the controls.
Old 09-30-2025 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
remember flying cars being talked about in the 70s/80s? We are no closer to that than single pilot ops.
Take a look at the eVTOL space and you might be surprised. The speederbike demonstrated on YouTube recently is quite interesting too.

We're talking about the next 50 years, the career of a 20 year old sitting in flight school today. That is a very long time.
Old 09-30-2025 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
a self driving car is one thing, a plane full of people is completely and will always be completely different.

the military can’t keep preds from going lost link, they won’t be flying unmanned cargo in the NAS anytime soon. Not to mention Until there is such thing as an un-hackable system (will never exist) no one is getting on a passenger airliner that doesn’t have a human at the controls.
Hence single 'pilot' ops. There seems to be some confusion that a single pilot airliner will be like a single pilot business jet. It will be a 0 pilot airliner with as you say, a human at something that look like controls to placate the public.

I predict the procedure to actually take control of it will look something like the nuclear launch authentication protocol in Crimson Tide.

The canary in the coal mine will be ATC. Once they automate that and develop a secure communication protocol for it then the table is set.
Old 09-30-2025 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Along the lines of this thread drift, who other than UA and DL have CBAs that codify multi-pilot operations?
Alaska does as well.
Old 09-30-2025 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureMajor8
MF response.

The reporters aren't reporting correctly
Age 67 was never going to come up for a vote this session
What they haven't reported is wp349 had moved on to the Air Navigation Council
good grief
That take might get some likes on the EPAS FB page, but it’s not reflective of reality. The WP moved on to the ANC, where it will die. Just like WP 106 did in 2024. The pro-67 crowd held that up as proof that change at ICAO was imminent, and nothing happened. The secretariat doesn’t want 67. They won’t do it until they get data. And so far nobody has been providing data. The ICAO timeline at best is 3-5 years.
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