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Old 09-03-2025 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
you can’t use pilots as an exclusive data point. The general population is what we use for all aeromedical science. What is this?
I'd hazard a guess that the general population is more readily accessible to study, just by virtue of being numerous.

And in many cases the study data already exists, and the aeromedical folks just have to parse it.

The benefit of doing a pilot-specific study is that it would account accurately for our specific circumstances, health benefits of socioeconomic status and lifestyle, and also any potential detrimental affects from job environment, circadian disruption, etc.

If the government is going to set boundaries on our livelihood, they owe us an accurate number, not just something that evolved over time. Might even be a lower number, in which case you can move up and FIRE even faster.
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Ain't even 8pm. I've flown with guys, who in 2pm daylight, nod off at cruise. But don't worry when they're awake I'll hear all about how age 67 is an extra two years of pay for everybody, so everybody's a winner.

Bonus points: they'll also be sure to tell me all about their 80 acre ranch, rental properties, boat, airplane, new house they just built, and show me n00dz of their hot, totally in it for the love, girlfriend and then tell me how lucky I am because starting pay in 1990 was $3.50 and they NEED more money for retirement.
A lot of foreign airlines allow one pilot at a time nap at cruise. Maybe that is what the U.S. should allow in conjunction to raising the retirement age? btw, I see a lot of head nods from my younger FOs in the middle of the afternoon too.
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Old 09-03-2025 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
A lot of foreign airlines allow one pilot at a time nap at cruise. Maybe that is what the U.S. should allow in conjunction to raising the retirement age?
We should do that now, even a 20 minute nap has clear restorative effects. But not as a substitute for an IRO, and not out of the cockpit.

I think the FAA is afraid of public and media hysteria if they go there. I can visualize the SNL skit...
Old 09-03-2025 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
We should do that now, even a 20 minute nap has clear restorative effects. But not as a substitute for an IRO, and not out of the cockpit.

I think the FAA is afraid of public and media hysteria if they go there. I can visualize the SNL skit...
100% agree, and not even fully falling asleep, just snoozing a bit can do the same.
Old 09-03-2025 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
100% agree, and not even fully falling asleep, just snoozing a bit can do the same.
Doesn't the nap thing allow them to fly with less pilots? Like 3 man crew with a nap as opposed to 4 man crew? Legit asking, honestly don't know.
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Life expectancy for all males in the U.S. at 65 is 18 yrs. So 83. Assume a bit of additional longevity to adjust for the lifetime 5-7 yrs greater longevity and it's probably mid 80's or slightly higher.
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
A lot of foreign airlines allow one pilot at a time nap at cruise. Maybe that is what the U.S. should allow in conjunction to raising the retirement age? btw, I see a lot of head nods from my younger FOs in the middle of the afternoon too.
They also fly longer legs before getting an FB/RO. We were in Athens and a crew sat down next to us. Flying Toronto to Athens on a 777...2 man. :-0
Had a 3rd pilot with them....FB for the flight back. He was deadheading. I'm guessing less pay??? So they flew 2 man, with their FB deadheading in the back, and we had a 3 man crew both ways.

But it gets better. Their #1 got sick. Turned back to St. Johns or Gander, dropped her off for medical care, and re-launched....still as a 2 man crew with the FB chilling in the back, as they were still legal as a 2 man crew. Beats me how that was legal but we certainly don't know their duty and flight time limits.

It was common to see 2 man foreign crews when the U.S. crews had a 3 man crew. It's a big difference even if you only take a 30-60 minute break.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
you can’t use pilots as an exclusive data point. The general population is what we use for all aeromedical science. What is this?
Yes, I hear this all the time. It’s the “Mighty U.S. Airline Pilot” theory. Immune to the environmental forces around him, he is not in any way part of the data, nor affected by it and wears a cape.😊
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Life expectancy for all males in the U.S. at 65 is 18 yrs. So 83. Assume a bit of additional longevity to adjust for the lifetime 5-7 yrs greater longevity and it's probably mid 80's or slightly higher.
Brilliant apples to oranges, and if someone is 95 years old, they’re likely to make it to 95 years and one day!
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
A lot of foreign airlines allow one pilot at a time nap at cruise. Maybe that is what the U.S. should allow in conjunction to raising the retirement age? btw, I see a lot of head nods from my younger FOs in the middle of the afternoon too.
No doubt, with every airline having a sodomizer... they are extracting the most "productivity" out of us for the least amount of rest (while shifting your circadian rhythms) and unless you're superman or can fall asleep and have deep sleep at the drop of a hat, you're gonna succumb to the sandman every now and then. It's just tiresome when it happens almost every leg due to the other guy being close to retirement and the give-a-$hit meter is at an all time low.

Also, not sure controlled rest is the move either. Ask our brothers to the north how they like doing 2-man Europe TURNS on the widebody. Had a former AC guy on the jumpseat once telling me all about taking the controlled rest, only to wake up and find the other guy asleep too and next thing you know, they're being intercepted by a foreign military.
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