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Old 09-16-2025 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
lower standard of care = better health outcomes


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Yes, when looking at the macro, I'm sure universal healthcare would help the impoverished have better access to healthcare. Whether that would curb their obesity or diabetes is another debate and access to healthcare isn't the root cause. When I lived in Europe, few of our friends used the national healthcare system as they wished to get better physicians. They were just as healthy or not healthy as the average professional in the US.
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Yes, when looking at the macro, I'm sure universal healthcare would help the impoverished have better access to healthcare. Whether that would curb their obesity or diabetes is another debate and access to healthcare isn't the root cause. When I lived in Europe, few of our friends used the national healthcare system as they wished to get better physicians. They were just as healthy or not healthy as the average professional in the US.
Yeah cuz every poor person is obese with diabetes.🙄
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Yes, when looking at the macro, I'm sure universal healthcare would help the impoverished have better access to healthcare. Whether that would curb their obesity or diabetes is another debate and access to healthcare isn't the root cause. When I lived in Europe, few of our friends used the national healthcare system as they wished to get better physicians. They were just as healthy or not healthy as the average professional in the US.
seems like something that isn’t different than what we have here. wealthy people pay for better healthcare.

not a compelling counter-argument to the fact that universal healthcare is cheaper and has better outcomes than our system.
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Yeah cuz every poor person is obese with diabetes.🙄

thumbsup never said “every” and obesity rates correlate directly with income levels.
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thumbsup never said “every” and obesity rates correlate directly with income levels.
For women, they do. For men, they don't. And actually they show at the top income levels men tend to be more overweight. I posted the study here not that long ago.
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Fatty shaming is discriminatory as off topic.

There are no regulatory age sunsets for road, rail or marine transports. If code for airmen isn’t proficiency/safety based, it’s disingenuous. Whichever side of the seniority fence you claim.

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Originally Posted by word302
Yeah cuz every poor person is obese with diabetes.🙄
Not what I said, nor my point. However, it is more prevalent both as a percentage and an absolute number. Diabetes being an extreme difference by income level.

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Not what I said, nor my point. However, it is more prevalent both as a percentage and an absolute number. Diabetes being an extreme difference by income level.
so you just threw it out there as a red herring?
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Originally Posted by OOfff
so you just threw it out there as a red herring?
No—it was a point that you can’t have the same outcomes from a medical system when you don’t have the same inputs. The people who don’t have easy access to medical care in the United States also have health problems that aren’t a result of the medical system. And those health problems are significant multiples of their occurrences in other comparable countries. Diabetes and obesity are just examples. Kidney disease is another.
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
No—it was a point that you can’t have the same outcomes from a medical system when you don’t have the same inputs. The people who don’t have easy access to medical care in the United States also have health problems that aren’t a result of the medical system. And those health problems are significant multiples of their occurrences in other comparable countries. Diabetes and obesity are just examples. Kidney disease is another.
seems like problems that easy access to medical care throughout one’s life could get out in front of.
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