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12-26-2007, 08:23 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
CPT,
The "key" is to medical out "whenever" you can? I am just a former Marine and not the sharpest tool in the shed so please enlighten me as to what that statement meant. "Take" the LTD (vs. legitimately receive) and don't go "out of the way" screaming for waivers or "anything" else? Semantics aside, I feel your implications where less than above board. I have flown with some (thankfully there are not too many here at SWA) who have some sense of entitlement and frankly after listening to their rant I feel like pouring some fuel on myself and lighting a match (from Airplane). Statements such as "I am not leaving here with any sick leave because I have a military medical plan" and "I keep my sick leave balance at zero because I know our PMA (pilot mutual aid) will pitch in and get me through the six months till LTD kicks in" come to mind. There have been a few who have accomplished the task of getting on LTD I feel undeservedly and when their name comes up in a conversation everyone rolls their eyes because they were such crappy employees we are almost just glad to be rid of them. All I can say is someone who is commiting fraud deserves to be found out and utilmately be prosecuted.
Ultimately one must be able to live with themself when they make decisions that negatively impact others. The problem is our society has so distorted the difference between right and wrong that is far to easy for some to be comfortable with themselves when they are scam artists.
I am not the morality police but those that are dishonest will eventually get what they deserve regardless of whether they "think" they got away with something. Someone has to pay for dishonesty and fraud.
I will leave you with two stories that I feel make a statement regarding our discussion. First I flew with a captain when I was at Pan Am (the original) who had gotten a waiver for having a heart attack and I marveled at his energy and work ethic. I will say he formed a very positive impression on me. The second story involves a captain I got stuck with for a whole month. From the beginning he rubbed me wrong with his attitudes about everything from money to relationships. From child support, to taking from others, to cheating on taxes (very flagrant). Well he wouldn't be a poster boy for the change in the age 65 rule because he died about 5 months after retirement. I truly believe it was because of his poor work ethic and due to Karma. I will say I did not shed a tear (and I have compassion for almost everyone) and when his name comes up I feel it is necessary to make sure he is not described as a saint.
The "key" is to medical out "whenever" you can? I am just a former Marine and not the sharpest tool in the shed so please enlighten me as to what that statement meant. "Take" the LTD (vs. legitimately receive) and don't go "out of the way" screaming for waivers or "anything" else? Semantics aside, I feel your implications where less than above board. I have flown with some (thankfully there are not too many here at SWA) who have some sense of entitlement and frankly after listening to their rant I feel like pouring some fuel on myself and lighting a match (from Airplane). Statements such as "I am not leaving here with any sick leave because I have a military medical plan" and "I keep my sick leave balance at zero because I know our PMA (pilot mutual aid) will pitch in and get me through the six months till LTD kicks in" come to mind. There have been a few who have accomplished the task of getting on LTD I feel undeservedly and when their name comes up in a conversation everyone rolls their eyes because they were such crappy employees we are almost just glad to be rid of them. All I can say is someone who is commiting fraud deserves to be found out and utilmately be prosecuted.
Ultimately one must be able to live with themself when they make decisions that negatively impact others. The problem is our society has so distorted the difference between right and wrong that is far to easy for some to be comfortable with themselves when they are scam artists.
I am not the morality police but those that are dishonest will eventually get what they deserve regardless of whether they "think" they got away with something. Someone has to pay for dishonesty and fraud.
I will leave you with two stories that I feel make a statement regarding our discussion. First I flew with a captain when I was at Pan Am (the original) who had gotten a waiver for having a heart attack and I marveled at his energy and work ethic. I will say he formed a very positive impression on me. The second story involves a captain I got stuck with for a whole month. From the beginning he rubbed me wrong with his attitudes about everything from money to relationships. From child support, to taking from others, to cheating on taxes (very flagrant). Well he wouldn't be a poster boy for the change in the age 65 rule because he died about 5 months after retirement. I truly believe it was because of his poor work ethic and due to Karma. I will say I did not shed a tear (and I have compassion for almost everyone) and when his name comes up I feel it is necessary to make sure he is not described as a saint.
Get off your high horse and light'n up Francis
12-26-2007, 09:30 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Statements such as "I am not leaving here with any sick leave because
I get 5 hours per month because we gave up something else in the contract for this and I am not giving a cent of it back to management.
You remind me of the guys that brag when they retire with 1000 plus hours of sick leave. They leave and get nothing for it. STUPID! But management sure appreciates the gift. It helps their bonuses be a tad bigger.
12-27-2007, 03:40 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: B737/Capt
Posts: 998
Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
I feel the same way. My sick bank will be ZERO when I leave CAL I can assure you of that.
I get 5 hours per month because we gave up something else in the contract for this and I am not giving a cent of it back to management.
You remind me of the guys that brag when they retire with 1000 plus hours of sick leave. They leave and get nothing for it. STUPID! But management sure appreciates the gift. It helps their bonuses be a tad bigger.
I get 5 hours per month because we gave up something else in the contract for this and I am not giving a cent of it back to management.
You remind me of the guys that brag when they retire with 1000 plus hours of sick leave. They leave and get nothing for it. STUPID! But management sure appreciates the gift. It helps their bonuses be a tad bigger.
I suspected as much based on your original post. It is too bad that you and your fellow pilots gave up so much. I find it at the very least rather selfish and arrogant that you feel someone else should work when you are not ill.
Actually I do have over 1200 hours (1480 trips) of sick leave and I don't think it is stupid (I call it planning). I have been blessed with good health and if something happens to me (catastrophic illness) my wife, four girls and I will have full pay for quite sometime. Then I will take LTD because I am eligible for it not because I am entitled to it. Besides I still enjoy going to work and I need a break from five women.
12-27-2007, 01:47 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: B737/Capt
Posts: 998
Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
Go sit in front of your "I love me wall."
I'm not scamming anyone nor do I intend to. But if a Dr. took my medical I won't be the one begging for him to overlook something is all. I guess you feel that would be OK so long as you get to keep flying. Who's scamming who? And as far as you believing me or not, well I really don't care what you decide to do. I'm glad you love flying as much as you do. How many plaques and certificates do you have in your home office? Don't answer that...
I'm not scamming anyone nor do I intend to. But if a Dr. took my medical I won't be the one begging for him to overlook something is all. I guess you feel that would be OK so long as you get to keep flying. Who's scamming who? And as far as you believing me or not, well I really don't care what you decide to do. I'm glad you love flying as much as you do. How many plaques and certificates do you have in your home office? Don't answer that...
I guess I missed this one this morning. For your information I don't have an "I love me wall" with all the plaques and certificates as you suggest. All those things are in boxes in the garage. I do have integrity and recognize those that don't.
Good job trying to deflect once again from my suggestion that your attitude towards LTD might include falsifying or not attempting to "get back your medical" if the opportunity presents itself. I sleep very well at night because right and wrong mean something to me. My children need an example of honesty and clearly you seem to live in a grey area where anything goes as long as it benefits you.
12-27-2007, 01:52 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: B737/Capt
Posts: 998
Originally Posted by Larcifer
You were against age 60 then?
Get off your high horse and light'n up Francis
Get off your high horse and light'n up Francis
12-27-2007, 05:16 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
CPT,
It is too bad that you and your fellow pilots gave up so much. I find it at the very least rather selfish and arrogant that you feel someone else should work when you are not ill.
Actually I do have over 1200 hours (1480 trips) of sick leave and I don't think it is stupid (I call it planning).
It is too bad that you and your fellow pilots gave up so much. I find it at the very least rather selfish and arrogant that you feel someone else should work when you are not ill.
Actually I do have over 1200 hours (1480 trips) of sick leave and I don't think it is stupid (I call it planning).
And sick leave is not just when you are ill. I use it for family, personal, and related issues. If you don't like that, then so be it.
Again, get off your hollier than thou chair.
Not sure how it is with SWA but at CAL anything more than 3 months sick bank and you only risk losing it so you damn straight I'm going to use it. Either way I obviously don't hold a candle to your ethics, professionalism, and dedication so we might as well just leave one another alone. You should not talk to those so beneath you. Take care big guy. Enjoy your "I love me wall." as long as you can.
12-28-2007, 03:44 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Originally Posted by newarkblows
I wonder why CAL gate agents and flight attendants are hands down the most disgruntled, rude, and obnoxious people I ever met. This guy has issues just like the majority of his pilot group.
The Gate agents are terrible sometimes, sometimes they are not, IAH usually bad. I have to say I have heard stories but most of the pilots I come into contact with at CAL haven been great guys/gals, some of the older guys (look like they are dead) seem to have some issues, but those are probably the guys who chose to be SCABS..........
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