OscartheGrouch

CPT,

Okay, you can put a fork in me I am done. The discussion we have had has been less than successfull and short of quoting scripture (which probably won't help) it will do no good to continue any further. I actually consider your disparaging comments about me to be a badge of honor.

It reminds me of a fellow Marine officer who asked me if I was "honest Abe" or something when I went in to pay for some gasoline when I went over at the gas pump. I didn't get it at first (I was young) but was quite aware of it when he was kicked out a few months later for lying and being dishonest (which adversely affected his fellow officers). Good luck!

Ottopilot

I don't have that experience. Maybe it's you?

JoeyMeatballs

hahah, I have several buddies that are Ex-Express and walked over the lot to CAL, and they say that they can't believe the difference in how they are treated with a CAL ID as opposed to an Expressjet one they used to wear, sad if you ask me................... Again I have had generally good experiences, but the ones that I have had the most problems with have been the CLE & IAH gate agents,


me on a dead-head "Good morning ladies, I was hoping I could pre-board if you wouldn't mind"

Them "can you pre-board??, your Express, you'll have to wait "

A320fumes

It's the culture @ CAL. There is a lot of Lorenzo left around. As a whole, CAL employees suffer from an inferiority complex with regard to themselves and fellow CAL employees. The company keeps employees divided to the lowest common denominator. Everytime I hear an employee speak about "The Company" with fear and reverence of "YAWEH" it disgust me. The CAL employees are the most dedicated, professional and cowardly of any in the industry. We'll never get the respect of the company or fellow employees until we unite and look out for each other. Not gonna happen so the merger seems to be the only option. It will suck but it will either unite CAL employees or give them an example to draw from. Our unity is pathetic!

CALPilotToo

I have issues with a SWA guy trying to turn words around to make me out a lier, thief, gas stealing, or LTD fraud. He feels it isn't stupid to retire with a sick bank full of unpaid hours. I disagree. He feels it is OK to do everything he can to get back into the cockpit where as I leave it up to the professionals to decide.

If he was at CAL he'd be the first guy volunteering for Jr Man pay to HELP the company as they short staff the airline. My issues are with guys like him that benefit themselves at the expense of fellow pilots. It is guys like him why we had one more round of un needed furloughs in May of 03. Guys like him sell their vacation back to the company and reduce staffing levels right during the summer season. So where you say I have issues like the majority of the pilot group I would strongly disagree. Because if I was part of the majority we would not have passed such a FKed up contract.

JoeyMeatballs

You make some good points, but the reality of it is that he works for an airline that pays decent and treats their employees like human beings, you on the other hand don't. If I worked for Southwest I too would probably want to help the company out, if I worked for an airline like CAL that walks all over their employees, you can bet your "behind" that I would use all of my sick time...............

fireman0174

And therein lies a lesson lost on virtually all airline managements that fail to or don't care to understand that if you treat and pay your employees well and with respect, it will pay great dividends to the company.

Airline managements .... Lost in Space.

A320fumes

Ditto! 5hrs in sick-bank.

OscartheGrouch

UOTE=SAABaroowski;289316]You make some good points, but the reality of it is that he works for an airline that pays decent and treats their employees like human beings, you on the other hand don't. If I worked for Southwest I too would probably want to help the company out, if I worked for an airline like CAL that walks all over their employees, you can bet your "behind" that I would use all of my sick time...............[/QUOTE]

It appears the differences between sick leave policies may be in play here. SWA has a pretty generous 10 for 1 accumulation rate of sick leave. You work 10 you get one trip of sick leave. Pretty easy to acculmulate if you are relatively "healthy."

I am most certainly not going to say I haven't used sick leave in some grey areas. I will say there is a difference between using it because your spouse is ill and you have young children or you have a doctor's appointment, etc., and using it for "personal" reasons that have nothing to do with being ill. Not judging, just posing an ethical question which we each have to make peace with.

The pilot group at CAL saved their pensions (as well as AA) while other "legacies" lost theirs. I believe they are to be commended for that. Did the mgmt take too much? Perhaps, but I would say that making a fellow employee work (by abusing sick leave) because you feel the mgmt got a big bonus is targeting the wrong culprit.

OscartheGrouch

CPT,

I thought we were done with this discussion. Since you still wish to justify your attitudes and apparently your actions with reference to LTD and sick leave I will chime in once more.

Your first comment in this thread alluded to perhaps "looking" for a way to "medical" out. I have no problem with LTD benefiting those who legitimately need it. You however, suggested that the "key" was to get on LTD and keep it by not jumping through hoops to get your medical back. Your suggestion was to let the "professionals" decide and then just cash the ..... check." Should anyone wonder why management then requests a second or third evaluation of the individual requesting to be put on LTD.

I invite anyone to go back through this thread and find where I called you a liar or anything else you suggested in the above. I posed questions of your attitude on the above subjects and I believe you are questioning yourself because you stepped in something that smells. I word to the wise for anyone reading our banter back and forth. If you think something similar to what Calpilottootoo does, just keep it to yourself. It would be difficult to justify your actions if they are in direct violation of a personnel policy.

Just remember that when all else fails and your argument is going nowhere disparage your opponents ethics by ridiculing him for having too much sick leave. He is after all just one of those "guys like him" that is bringing us all down.

BTW CPT, may I ask why you don't have anything on your public profile? That as well as those at SWA who block their board (computer) always get me wondering.