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Old 03-02-2008, 12:07 AM   #11  
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cant use the cessna technique when you have engines on both wings and wings are just that much closer to the ground....sure you can get away with it on low wings like pipers but i wouldnt want to try it with an airliner
Guys, Its the exact same technique as a small GA plane.
On a re-engined Diesel 8 (DC8) no so, but every other airliner YES.
Crap it in, lower the wing, add rudder. You guys do it every day
and could do it in a airliner just as easy.

IDon't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I see a lot of Airline guys never using the rudder on landing.
It's a crappy,rough landing without. I guess they think
those thingys on the floor are there just for a foot rest!
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Old 03-02-2008, 02:25 AM   #12  
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Sorry guys, but those of you who don't think you can low wing land a big airliner are wrong. You just have to know what you're doing and get good at it. Many years on the 767/757 and that's the only way I do it. AV8--I like to crab the final and kick it out to low wing at about 100 feet--how do you crap it!! REDWAVE
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Wow! That was extreme! I live in Hamburg at the moment (where this incident happened) and we ARE experiencing extremly high winds! Yesterday they were over 33kts steady, with gusts over 50kts I think! I can't find yesterdays METARs, but this is the current one and we have less wind than yesterday:

EDDH 021150Z 29021G35KT 9999 BKN016 BKN035 08/05 Q0995 TEMPO 29025G45KT

I found this weather info for yesterday, but it isn't a real METAR:

9 AM (14) Mar 01 44 (7) 35 (2) 29.23 (0990) WNW 33 light rain showers
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I found the right METAR:

EDDH 011220Z 29028G48KT 9000 -SHRA FEW011 BKN014 07/05 Q0984 TEMPO 29035G55KT 4000 SHRA BKN008

This happened on RWY23 - ILS.

I just read that they came back for the VOR/DME approach to RWY33 and landed safely. Lookes like they did lose the wingtip-fence though... Wow, REALLY SCARY!

And MAX demonstrated for the A320 is 33kt/gusts 38 as far as I know...

And I just read the following on PPRUNE:
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KLM refused to depart on 23 in that conditions and preferred to wait for 40 minutes for t/o rwy 33
Emirates A345 tried once 23, 15 minutes later 33, but broke off each time, exceeded bank angles on final, diverted to FRA
other widebody ground service was unable to lift up catering boxes due to windforce...all because of emma.

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Better ride than an E tix at disney! Bet ya the pax will never forget this ride .
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Guys, Its the exact same technique as a small GA plane.
On a re-engined Diesel 8 (DC8) no so, but every other airliner YES.
Crap it in, lower the wing, add rudder. You guys do it every day
and could do it in a airliner just as easy.

IDon't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I see a lot of Airline guys never using the rudder on landing.
It's a crappy,rough landing without. I guess they think
those thingys on the floor are there just for a foot rest!
Agreed 100%. I flew heavies in the Air Force and had to have crosswind corrections in by 300' agl. Works great on the 757/767 also.
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Old 03-02-2008, 06:27 AM   #17  
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To much talk, I did fly into this airport, Toncontin in Honduras, as FO on both the A319 and B737 and my hat off to Connie and AA guys/gals !!!! great job, good times

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Probably a Multi Crew License pilot!..... Have never flown an Airbus... I hear they do not like the cross controls????
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Probably a Multi Crew License pilot!..... Have never flown an Airbus... I hear they do not like the cross controls????
In the bus stick deflection coomands a rate of roll. In a normal aircraft you can hold a certian amount yoke/stick to kill drift. If you hold stick deflection on the bus it will continue to roll until it reaches the bank limit. Crosswinds can be tricky until you get used to them.
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Probably a Multi Crew License pilot!..... Have never flown an Airbus... I hear they do not like the cross controls????
The first MPL courses at Lufthansa have just started at the beginning of 2008. They are not on the line yet and won't be for about a year and a half.

But ATPL graduates of Lufthansa Flight Training come out with about 300 hours, so they are still very low time, but from what I have been told, they are absolutely safe to fly an airliner - especially as IOE is much longer and more intense than in the US. There is an MCC though (Multi Crew Concept), this is just an add-on for the ATPL though (I think it's required for flying an airliner).
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