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Old 07-03-2008, 05:45 AM   #61  
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I'm just trying to understand what is your problem with the United pilots. But reading the extent of your anger throughout your other posts, I'll just assume that you are disturbed. And I didn't say you were ****ed off...perhaps you need to read closer. And yes, the MEC is weak, no question about that. That's why we're in this situation in the first place. But when your airline SURVIVES bankruptcy, there is a certain amount of give-and-take in negotiations. Not that you would know what that's like, as your airline FAILED in bankruptcy. And your MEC bent over while it was still making money under ACA and accepted RJ wages for A319s.
Wow, a UAL 747 CA reads ALL my posts here, I'm flattered. Are you sure UAL "survived" BK? What if the laws were like they are now? What if Wedhoff wasn't santa clause or there was another BK judge? Do you think UAL would have made it?

You really want to get into a wage discussion about who flies for what? How come you make as much (or as little) as a 777 CA? TWO more engines, more people, no more money.

On the topic of RJ wages, are you sure you have your facts strait? When you get more posts, PM me an address and I can email the LOA that dealt with Airbus pay rates. Also, we had pay protection for cnx'ed trips, not matter when they happened. We kept line holder guarantee at 75, didn't reduce it down to 65. Our RJ wages were the highest in 2001, then COMAIR/AWAC upper ours. All before taking concessions. It's the EXACT same process as a the majors. UAL got contract 2000, then DAL brought it up, with AA next in line had 9/11 not happened. Like I said, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the Airbus LOA.

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...And that's my point, if your (former) MEC weakly gave in, why are you so critical of the United pilots, when we're all just the same? I'm sorry daddy couldn't get you into United back when the gettin' was good, but timing is everything. Get over it. United pilots are not your problem.
I can't help but laugh. Your busting my chops, after reading your post it seems like you've got issues with the regionals. Remember, we're "all just the same".

Sorry to break it to, UAL wasn't my first choice. Nor my second.
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Old 07-03-2008, 06:02 AM   #62  
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Wow, a UAL 747 CA reads ALL my posts here, I'm flattered. Are you sure UAL "survived" BK? What if the laws were like they are now? What if Wedhoff wasn't santa clause or there was another BK judge? Do you think UAL would have made it?

You really want to get into a wage discussion about who flies for what? How come you make as much (or as little) as a 777 CA? TWO more engines, more people, no more money.

On the topic of RJ wages, are you sure you have your facts strait? When you get more posts, PM me an address and I can email the LOA that dealt with Airbus pay rates. Also, we had pay protection for cnx'ed trips, not matter when they happened. We kept line holder guarantee at 75, didn't reduce it down to 65. Our RJ wages were the highest in 2001, then COMAIR/AWAC upper ours. All before taking concessions. It's the EXACT same process as a the majors. UAL got contract 2000, then DAL brought it up, with AA next in line had 9/11 not happened. Like I said, I'll be happy to send you a copy of the Airbus LOA.



I can't help but laugh. Your busting my chops, after reading your post it seems like you've got issues with the regionals. Remember, we're "all just the same".

Sorry to break it to, UAL wasn't my first choice. Nor my second.
Dude, let it go. Bubble Jet is gone! And remember, "united sucks, ted sucks more", (and Indy Air will liquidate!)

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Old 07-03-2008, 05:06 PM   #63  
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I've read and thought about this potential jumpseat war happening. I don't like the thought of it and no one else does, by judging from their responses. It can all be avoided!

The UAX carriers are asking UAL pilots to tell UALPA and their MEC to fix the computer priority sorting so that it is right. We don't have a problem with main line pilots, only the fact that they bump us off our own flights. Mainline guys would be upset if that happened on their own flights and it would get fixed right away. We have tried to get it fixed for over a year to no avail. This is why we are asking for your help. So instead of getting all fired up on the regional guys, help us out, do the right thing, put the pressure and anger where it rightfully belongs and get the issue fixed there by avoiding a jumpseat war.
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Old 07-03-2008, 05:46 PM   #64  
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This thread sure went stray! Hopefully there's still a United guy or two following it.....

Anyhow, I'm a Skywest pilot, and I just want to say thanks for all of the rides on the 'bus jump seat. It 'aint a Lazy Boy, but it gets me home when the ship is full. I wish we had the opportunity to return the favor more often.

I didn't get the opportunity to voice my opinion on that letter to mainline pilots before our jump seat coordinator put my company's name on it. For that, he will receive a rather explicit email from me. I wholeheartedly disagree with this campaign and am hopeful that very few of our captains will support it. This isn't the right way to go about fixing the problem.

I'm not sure I'll be able to present my credentials to a United captain without feeling some sort of shame because of this. And should I get denied the jump seat because of this campaign, I will be upset to be sure. But that anger won't be directed toward United pilots.
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On the topic of RJ wages, are you sure you have your facts strait? When you get more posts, PM me an address and I can email the LOA that dealt with Airbus pay rates.
Oh, I know quite a bit about it. In fact, I probably still have a copy of the LOA. Pay rates on paper are one thing. The numbers looked good. But when you bent over and let the company demote your airbus captain longevity from year 15 to year 2, you sold out. That's what I mean by "RJ wages." You like to talk about United's weak MEC. It's TRUE! But your MEC was no stronger.

Where are you now, btw? Are you actively involved in your union? Or are you one of the guys who floods the boards with complaints, but who provides no solutions?

So get off your "high and mighty" and join the rest of us who are just trying to pay our bills and hope our company lasts until we turn 60 (or 65 if you please).

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