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Old 09-30-2008, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooled View Post
Corporate America is out of control. Thank Dubya and his big business ideas.
Wow! What an ignorant partisan hack you are today! The blame goes all around.
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Old 09-30-2008, 08:06 AM
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Corporate America is out of control. Thank Dubya and his big business ideas.
Everything is Dubya's fault isn't it? I'm going to go throw up now.
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Old 09-30-2008, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooled View Post
Corporate America is out of control. Thank Dubya and his big business ideas.
Yeah, I'm ready for the free ride to begin. Free childcare, more government subsidized housing, and minimum wage jobs that pay 10.00/hr.

Let's make this country a great place for worthless, unmotivated, and stupid people to get everything they need from our tax dollars and barely do any work at all.

Only Obama could dream up this circus plan.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr View Post
Everything is Dubya's fault isn't it? I'm going to go throw up now.
OK, getting a little political here, but no, everything isn't "W's" fault...... Just the completely one-sided attitude favoring big business and the rich. If you don't believe me, just Google the Kentucky River decision and then replace the word "nurses", with the word "pilots". How about Open Skies cabotage? Then tell me who you'd be voting for, because you are LITERALLY VOTING FOR YOUR JOB/CAREER SURVIVAL this year. Which party really supports laisse-faire the guys like Tilton, Lorenzo, and Lay? Believe me, the current regime or their erstwhille replacement is not your friend... Just look at their voting record. Just because you are a pilot, does not make you a friend of "greedy pilots". Oh, greedy CEO's are OK because they make better campaign contributions than the "greedy" pilots.

Pilots are a funny lesson in duality. Most of us are conservative, gun owning, strong military-supporting, independent thinkers, yet we belive in "fraternity", "brotherhood", "union", and despise scabbing. Ex-mil pilots show up at an airline, pi33ed off about having to join the "union", yet end up being some of the most ardent supporters of the "union". What a funny, conflicted, and confused group we are. A study in Schitzophrenia............

Well, much like a pool that has too little or too much pH, our country is ready for a shock to the system when the top one percent of wealth increases by nearly a trillion while the bottom 80 percent suffers stagnation or loss. While I don't see the guillotine coming to Wall street or D.C., the little guy (and yes, we ARE the little guys.. even pilots) are ready to revolt against corporate greed.

I'm angry that I feel that this November, I have to choose my job versus my guns, dignity, and national security. I don't like this choice that I am forced to make... So, it's time for a third party. And that's coming from a disgusted YR (see, I didn't say which party or political affiliation by name.. LOL) who has worked on Regan-Bush '84 and Bush-Quayle '88 campaigns.

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Old 09-30-2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR View Post
... Pilots are a funny lesson in duality. Most of us are conservative, gun owning, strong military-supporting, independent thinkers, yet we belive in "fraternity", "brotherhood", "union", and despise scabbing. Ex-mil pilots show up at an airline, pi33ed off about having to join the "union", yet end up being some of the most ardent supporters of the "union". What a funny, conflicted, and confused group we are. A study in Schitzophrenia............ ...
You see, I don't think that's a contradiction at all. I am a conservative pilot who is also a strong supporter of our union. What I am supporting is a union that works for my brothers and sisters, takes care of those who need help and also negotiates with the company on our behalf.

What I am against is unions that support one party only, or frankly that support any political party. It's one thing to be supporting your brothers and sisters but a totally different thing to be attempting to turn this great country into a socialist corpse.
There are many ardent supporters of unions who just cannot believe some pilots don’t want to vote the ‘democratic’ ticket as it’s called here but would be called ‘social-democratic’ or simply ‘socialist’ across the pond.

They and apparently you too feel that would be against their interests - I totally disagree and am glad I’m not alone.

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Old 09-30-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooled View Post
Corporate America is out of control. Thank Dubya and his big business ideas.
Not to get to political, but exactly what "big business ideas" are you talking about?
In a free market economy, free being the key term, the government's role should be rather limited. While I will agree that there is too much overlap that goes on between big businesses and government officials, I will not agree that these types of conflicts of interest occur on only on side of the aisle. Many corrupt politicians and big business people keep one another in each others' back pockets, but I think the issue, as far as government involvement is concerned, should be focused on ethics reform rather than increased market oversight and regulation.

Corporate America is out of control in many areas, but I think it's easier for Main Street to point the finger at Wall Street when every street in America is partly to blame.

How many people do you know who have gotten mortgages they couldn't afford, or use their credit cards up to the limit on a regular basis?

How many credit card or loan offers have you received in the mail?

In my opinion, both Wall Street and Main Street are to blame and it is always easier to blame someone or something on misfortunes as opposed to accepting responsibility.
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooled View Post
Corporate America is out of control. Thank Dubya and his big business ideas.
Feel free to move to France, Sweden, Russia, China, etc. any time you'd like.

The US is, and always will be, a capitalistic, free market economy. To hope otherwise is a tremendous disservice to our men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice to support this country.

If those brave Americans wanted to fight for France's system, they would have. They chose to fight for our country.

Leave. Please.

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Old 09-30-2008, 01:08 PM
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Not to get to political, but exactly what "big business ideas" are you talking about?
In a free market economy, free being the key term, the government's role should be rather limited. While I will agree that there is too much overlap that goes on between big businesses and government officials, I will not agree that these types of conflicts of interest occur on only on side of the aisle. Many corrupt politicians and big business people keep one another in each others' back pockets, but I think the issue, as far as government involvement is concerned, should be focused on ethics reform rather than increased market oversight and regulation.

Corporate America is out of control in many areas, but I think it's easier for Main Street to point the finger at Wall Street when every street in America is partly to blame.

How many people do you know who have gotten mortgages they couldn't afford, or use their credit cards up to the limit on a regular basis?

How many credit card or loan offers have you received in the mail?

In my opinion, both Wall Street and Main Street are to blame and it is always easier to blame someone or something on misfortunes as opposed to accepting responsibility.

Well said!! I too wish people would be held accountable and take responsibility for their own choices and actions!

Ever think of running for office???
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
The US is, and always will be, a capitalistic, free market economy. To hope otherwise is a tremendous disservice to our men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice to support this country.
Dead on......right up until the crooks show up. Adam Smith pictured a market system where everyone was honest. A completely free market is like telling the bank not to put an alarm on the vault, not real smart.

One has to have some laws against whack jobs in white shirts just like we have laws against gangbangers with guns in 7/11s.

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Old 09-30-2008, 02:12 PM
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Well said!! I too wish people would be held accountable and take responsibility for their own choices and actions!

Ever think of running for office???
This being an election year, I don't believe any politician would come out publicly and try to connect this financial crisis to the irresponsibility of some majority of the American people. I think the majority of people in this country vote by choosing the person that tells them what the want to hear.
I personally would rather have a leader who tells us how it is, rather than one who waits for the American people to tell the government how they would like things.

I think if I ever ran for office and got elected, even I would move to Canada.
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