Judge's Decision in UAL v. ALPA
11-18-2008, 01:29 PM
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hate to sound like a *********, but how can stuff like this be going on at the same time that all i'm hearing about is the poor auto industry. maybe if they don't get bailed out and they end up going through the same crap people's eyes will start to be opened to the corrupt corporate America....nah!
11-18-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by globochem
Being one of the 1450, I did in fact burn up all of my sick time prior to furlough. It was kind of like being on terminal leave. Glad to be gone now that I can actually pay the bills again with my new job.
IMO, and it ain't worth much, the real issue with this "temporary" injunction against UAL ALPA (forget about the 4 pilots named, it isn't the purpose) will have great implications on the union's in the industry and of course pilot's specifically.
I haven't read the judge's ruling yet, so don't have specifics. What I can say that an injunction of a subjective nature such as this is very dangerous and opens up many avenues for any mgmt team to "cry foul" and take an issue to federal court using this as precedent! Very damaging.
The burden of proof has been shifted to the union. Very bad. Guilty until proven innocent is a BAD thing my friends.
Personally, glad I'm voluntarily leaving UAL on a vol furlough. 11 years here has been enough barring some drastic change in the scenery. I may never be recalled and may get screwed by whatever potential seniority integration between UAL and CAL might yield in the future......and I don't care.
Gladly leaving the 121 industry! I stayed too long, particularly at this company. After 11 years, 5 of which I was an active ALPA worker, I have had more than enough. My 6 year old daughter agrees.
My best to all and fly safe!
Soon to be a former UAL pilot (who wasn't at risk of furlough....today).
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11-19-2008, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
Good on ya' and glad you found better employment.
IMO, and it ain't worth much, the real issue with this "temporary" injunction against UAL ALPA (forget about the 4 pilots named, it isn't the purpose) will have great implications on the union's in the industry and of course pilot's specifically.
I haven't read the judge's ruling yet, so don't have specifics. What I can say that an injunction of a subjective nature such as this is very dangerous and opens up many avenues for any mgmt team to "cry foul" and take an issue to federal court using this as precedent! Very damaging.
The burden of proof has been shifted to the union. Very bad. Guilty until proven innocent is a BAD thing my friends.
Personally, glad I'm voluntarily leaving UAL on a vol furlough. 11 years here has been enough barring some drastic change in the scenery. I may never be recalled and may get screwed by whatever potential seniority integration between UAL and CAL might yield in the future......and I don't care.
Gladly leaving the 121 industry! I stayed too long, particularly at this company. After 11 years, 5 of which I was an active ALPA worker, I have had more than enough. My 6 year old daughter agrees.
My best to all and fly safe!
Soon to be a former UAL pilot (who wasn't at risk of furlough....today).
FXDWG
IMO, and it ain't worth much, the real issue with this "temporary" injunction against UAL ALPA (forget about the 4 pilots named, it isn't the purpose) will have great implications on the union's in the industry and of course pilot's specifically.
I haven't read the judge's ruling yet, so don't have specifics. What I can say that an injunction of a subjective nature such as this is very dangerous and opens up many avenues for any mgmt team to "cry foul" and take an issue to federal court using this as precedent! Very damaging.
The burden of proof has been shifted to the union. Very bad. Guilty until proven innocent is a BAD thing my friends.
Personally, glad I'm voluntarily leaving UAL on a vol furlough. 11 years here has been enough barring some drastic change in the scenery. I may never be recalled and may get screwed by whatever potential seniority integration between UAL and CAL might yield in the future......and I don't care.
Gladly leaving the 121 industry! I stayed too long, particularly at this company. After 11 years, 5 of which I was an active ALPA worker, I have had more than enough. My 6 year old daughter agrees.
My best to all and fly safe!
Soon to be a former UAL pilot (who wasn't at risk of furlough....today).
FXDWG
Just Curious.. What is your new career?
Best of luck to you though I think there is a large group of people who feel the same way you do!
11-19-2008, 05:04 PM
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I haven't read the expanded version, but this decision sounds like it's in line with what to expect from the RLA. Remember, its design is to keep the transportation system moving and it's not labor friendly. Right in line with court decisions against APA and DAL ALPA pre-9/11. Unions have always had to exercise caution with the RLA.
11-19-2008, 05:13 PM
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Bottom line is, if you think you are going to go rogue and do things on your own illegally, you put yourself and your union at risk. Those guys cost ALPA (ie: you and me) money and weakened UAL ALPAs ability to effectively organize a LEGAL lob action in the future. Any word on what happens to the 4 named pilots?
11-19-2008, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Flare Armed
Bottom line is, if you think you are going to go rogue and do things on your own illegally, you put yourself and your union at risk. Those guys cost ALPA (ie: you and me) money and weakened UAL ALPAs ability to effectively organize a LEGAL lob action in the future. Any word on what happens to the 4 named pilots?
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As for the 4 pilots...no word yet.
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11-19-2008, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flare Armed
Bottom line is, if you think you are going to go rogue and do things on your own illegally, you put yourself and your union at risk. Those guys cost ALPA (ie: you and me) money and weakened UAL ALPAs ability to effectively organize a LEGAL lob action in the future. Any word on what happens to the 4 named pilots?
Last edited by 89Pistons; 11-20-2008 at 02:40 PM.
11-19-2008, 06:03 PM
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Did I read the injunction correct? NO STRIKE??? I missed something...
Also, anyone see how the heads of the auto industry got to D.C. to ask for a bailout? In the company jets! Reminds me of some other bailouts. After 9-11, Midway (2, or was it 3?). Hey, we need money to keep this place running. Thanks, SEE YA!
AIG, we need money to keep this place running. Thanks, PARTYTIME!!!
Auto industry, we need money to keep this place running! Thanks, see you later (as they get in their Gulfstreams, for an hour flight. Which they could've taken North..I mean Delta!!! Or UAL through ORD)
BUT, NOOOOOOOO it's the UNIONS that are bringing these places down!!!
Also, anyone see how the heads of the auto industry got to D.C. to ask for a bailout? In the company jets! Reminds me of some other bailouts. After 9-11, Midway (2, or was it 3?). Hey, we need money to keep this place running. Thanks, SEE YA!
AIG, we need money to keep this place running. Thanks, PARTYTIME!!!
Auto industry, we need money to keep this place running! Thanks, see you later (as they get in their Gulfstreams, for an hour flight. Which they could've taken North..I mean Delta!!! Or UAL through ORD
)BUT, NOOOOOOOO it's the UNIONS that are bringing these places down!!!
11-19-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flare Armed
Bottom line is, if you think you are going to go rogue and do things on your own illegally, you put yourself and your union at risk. Those guys cost ALPA (ie: you and me) money and weakened UAL ALPAs ability to effectively organize a LEGAL lob action in the future. Any word on what happens to the 4 named pilots?
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