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Old 12-22-2008 | 09:36 AM
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I can see that it does definitely come from both sides. Point well taken. I think on both sides there will be those that at least try to have discussions and those who are clearly flaming.

Though I certainly have mixed feelings in general regarding all things aa, I will be wishing you guys well in the contract negotiations. Your success there could direclty benefit me when (if) my recall comes up or at least indirectly benefit me by lifting the industry.

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Old 12-22-2008 | 09:45 AM
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Thank you, agree 100%. It was starting to feel like C&R there for awhile. Hope we get everyone back pronto, along with a kick a$$ contract.
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Old 12-22-2008 | 02:57 PM
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hey, here is hypothetical question you. Say it comes down to the final hour, they give in, you get a great contract, big pay raise, etc... Could AMR turn around next day, declear bankruptcy, and void the contract? Also does APA have a right walk if that did happen?
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Old 12-22-2008 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Seriously......... Merry Christmas and may no management rats scurry along your baseboards in 2009.
Best Christmas wish I've seen all week. Same to you Eaglefly.
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Old 12-22-2008 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
hey, here is hypothetical question you. Say it comes down to the final hour, they give in, you get a great contract, big pay raise, etc... Could AMR turn around next day, declear bankruptcy, and void the contract? Also does APA have a right walk if that did happen?
Bankruptcy isn't an automatic win for AMR and it doesn't void the contract. Management lawyers need to make a case for voiding any union or vendor contracts either in total or partially.

AA pilots gave up more concessions outside of bankruptcy than United pilots did in bankruptcy court.
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Old 12-22-2008 | 10:00 PM
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In this credit market I wonder where AMR would receive exit financing should they decide to declare bankruptcy.

Regardless, I don't see BK as a threat...at least in the near term.

If a BK judge were to throw out an entire contract, then the APA would have the right to strike--and AMR would have the right to impose whatever workrules, pay, etc, that they'd like (I'm sure after the requisite 30 day cooling off period). My understanding is that judges are reluctant to throw entire contracts out and would rather "cherry pick" or foster negotiation between the parties involved to come to a resolution.


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Old 12-23-2008 | 07:07 AM
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You would think. However, the nwa fa's were in exactly this position and were not allowed to strike per the bankruptcy court judge.
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Old 12-23-2008 | 07:23 AM
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Orchestrating a bankruptcy is a poor choice for AMR. It would destroy shareholder's value and would destroy what little morale is left in the workforce. It's going to be a lot cheaper in the long run if AMR can get some leadership in the senior ranks that knows how to lead and motivate people instead of spew out cheap slogans and loot the company with bonuses.
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Old 12-23-2008 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LCCescapee
You would think. However, the nwa fa's were in exactly this position and were not allowed to strike per the bankruptcy court judge.
I see what you're saying. I guess I was trying to elude to the fact that the usual negotiate/mediate/arbitrate/release process would have to occur.

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