Wheels up

7576FO, let's take it easy on him. Now that the flowback program is kaput, he's probably a ****ed-off TWA flowback that's jerking gear now for $40k a year and some AE RJ captain half his age.

X Rated

Well imagine that...maybe he's pi$$ed because that's not too far from the truth. You know, after the part where the Union is asking him to go out on strike (soon after he's recalled) so that he can stand up and jeopardize his own job for the benefit of those who were hired at AA five years after he was at TWA. Could that be it? Or could you blame him?

Forgive me if I seem a little less than motivated about an APA job action that truly jeopardizes the large percentage of TWA pilots that are on the property--and for that matter, those that are off of it.

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Wheels up

If the company and the senior bubbas in STL get their way, the furloughees are toast for sure. Those guys will sell you out for a their own job security/retirement in a heartbeat under the guise of "a realistic contract."

If TWAers were running the union, we'd be eaten alive by AA management. Productivity improvements in the form of company controlled preferential bidding, higher max's, giving away scope to buy a few years of a meager pay raise until they can retire, would to slice probably at least a thousand (maybe two) more off the active list. And you could watch your narrow body flying shifted to the RJ guy that Jake is jerking gear for and some international flying to BA and IB, et al. Let the whipsawing begin in earnest after that.

I'll take my chances with my union leadership who has some guts and understands AA management, not some scared TWA concessionists who will sell out my job for a $5 pay raise.

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LOL! That was good...

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FliFast

I'd rather let the NAAtives that engineered Supp CC negotiate for me. They handed Con Carty a divided and conquered pilot group, cleansed the payroll of almost all the red tails, accepted a 23% pay cut and to this date AMR laughs at them.

I'm not saying the senior bubbas anywhere care a less about the junior pukes, but what progress has Darrah, Hunter, or Hill gotten the pilot group....neat leather jackets, maybe. nothing more.

Furloughed AA pilot

FliFast

At least you're employed at AA.

And No, I only have use one screen name, thanks for the childish remark

FF

Romulus

The majority 51% will vote for the options which serve them best even if it is to the detriment of the opposing 49%. Traditionally, this means the junior half will be doing what the senior half desires.

Sorry, but recalls at AA are still at least 24 months away.

Wheels up

It was inevitable that the pilot groups was going to be divided. There was no way around that. AA pilots didn't want the acquisition to begin with. If forced to deal with it, a very large percentage favored a straight staple. And that's one reason I opposed this deal in the first place knowing the inevitiable end-game of an AA acquired airline (shutdown the capacity and dilute the remaining seniority list). Even if TWA was given DOH in the integration, you'd now have a much larger group of very po'd natives.

Mergers and acquisitions don't work unless both parties bring long-term value and capacity to the airline. NW and DAL might work because both are viable airlines, but time will tell.

I voted against the 23% pay cut contract. They could take it to BK as far as I was concerned. Darrah and Hunter were failures because the believed the BS that Arpey was putting out. Hill is a lot smarter, but right now were locked into the trashy contract and there's little he can do except grieve things and stand tough in section 6 negotiations. He's being very careful to do everything legally and take the high ground. The next couple of months have some watershed grievance decisions coming, including the 7300 pilot floor for shutting down Eagle. I think we're on the right track, as hard and laborous as it may seem.

Romulus

Good luck shutting down Eagle. You don't get much revenue from them anyway, right? Losing a little feed won't hurt you, I'm sure.

If Hill doesn't get the pay bumps and shut down Eagle, will you strike?

FliFast

Baloney !

We, the TWA pilots even lobbied in Wash DC for the respective BK Court and Gov't regulators to approve our integration, as opposed to an integration with Carl Icahn and the other suitors. We wanted to be part of your pilot group. ALPA"S rightful place would have given us table scraps, But no, as John Darrah said in Supp CC, if you were hired after 1986, you came to work with no career expectations. And so, your union #$@%% us.

You all choose to throw us under the bus, and you succeeded, and everyone in the industry knows it. I can' tell you whenever I tell people I used to work for TWA until AA bought us, it is a common response, Those AA boys @@$@ you guys".

It wouldn't cost you not a darn penny to have each AA pilot tell the APA to publicly come out with a retraction for calling our pilot group hot dog vendors at a ball game whereas your pilots were the professional athletes at the game, and how the TWA pilots are Kmart pilots and you guys were the Saks 5th Ave pilots. I'll put TWA's safety record up against American's any day of the week.

How can you guys expect AMR to take you seriously when you've shown that your greed oriented instead of union oriented. Maybe you'll have another hat rally.

I'm done with you guys.