Herkulesdrvr

Oh my god, sometimes our own guys scare me more than the company.

Herkulesdrvr

We had a pcrb report that compared us to the industry and without giving you all the details, it basically summed up why we have this union drive going. We are below average in all seats in pay and benefits. I don't have the exact numbers but when I read the pcrb I had a few episodes of vomitting into my mouth, so I couldn't digest the whole thing at once.

Yes hours above 70 are compensated at 150% but I dont think the flying is there for a lot of pickups right now. I guess it depends on which seat your in and base.

Herkulesdrvr

I am on the bus, but the 190 rates are horrible. I feel guilty looking these guys in the face is the only way I can really explain it, its just not right. I have had quite a few buddies ask if they should come to JB out of the Air Force and I have told them don't waste their time. If your a Major or Ltc coming out of the military to JB it's going to look and feel like welfare, which is pretty sad. What is more sad is that our company after years and years of knowing the pay is bad continues to talk about "we are looking into these issues." Talk, talk and more talk.

IMHO, no airline pilot should be making less than 6 figures a year after 4 years of service. Maybe my expectations are too high, but right is right and this company has told us through it's actions that we are not worth it. 190 guys making 58 dollars an hour after 4 years? Talk about nauseating.

johnso29

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure that was your choice going to the 747. PBS can bite you on reserve, so it's a gamble. If you weren't on reserve, the only way you could do 22 days in a row is if you had two trips back to back(1 at the end of the bid period, 1 at the begining of the next) and even that's stretching it. Contractual min days off gets you 11 in a 30 day bid period. Most othropedic surgeons I've seen work 12+ hour days 6 days a week. Even with your previous schedule you were still getting more time off.

MAXforwardspeed

I am a FO RJ pilot and I will just throw in my 2 cents here. I blame this mess on Major Airline Pilots they continually give/relax scope in an attempt to hold on to pay and working conditions. Then management files for bankruptcy and gets everything back. At this rate I will never make it to a major. Regional Jets will be flying domestic and carriers like BA, Lufthansa, or Emirates will be flying international via code sharing.
I just learned that the plumbers unions control the jobs and licensing of plumbers. Wow, plumbers set a price for a skill and companies just have to deal with that fixed cost. What a concept!
Major airline pilots need to hold it together. Most RJ pilots are behind the concept get support from everyone and you won’t have issues like Midwest Airlines.

willflyforcash

Worst paying Major - American Eagle Airlines

ToiletDuck

I don't think any union should have better benefits than those it represents. I know that's hard with so many different companies but if there's a 25% cut across the board then I'd expect the union to join in. A sort of averages type thing.

x183

Like I was saying.......................

sailingfun

You must not have heard about the RJDC and the lawsuits they filed to ban scope at the major airlines.

Phantom Flyer

With all due respect, I disagree. I doubt that anyone on this forum has spent the time and expended the financial resources that it takes to become a surgeon of any type. With 4 years of undergraduate, medical school, internships, residency, etc., most young doctors are looking at 10 or more years of formal training and some horrendous hours as a resident before they really start making any serious money. When one throws in just malpractice insurance alone in today's environment, that $400-500+K per year they can earn doesn't go as far as one might imagine.

I don't think most of us have spent 10+ years training to become a pilot. Yes, one may have been in the military that long and on the civilian side, worked their way up through the ranks but we didn't spend 5-7 years of formal training and besides, our profession is suffering a glut of qualified, trained individuals. Supply and demand. Yes, it will change and the pendulum will swing back but not for a l-o-n-g time.

Just my 0.000234 cents (two cents devalued to today's numbers)

G'Day Mates.