DAL Scope Compliance
01-23-2009 | 02:34 PM
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It's not even fun anymore because apparently Sailling will never stop.
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01-23-2009 | 02:38 PM
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No, you are right. Senior NWA went a long way to protect their pensions. Delta went an equal distance to protect as much of their contract as they could.
Yes, NWA sold the DC9 flying to Compass and Mesaba. However, we failed to act when the opportunity existed to fix the error.
Yes, NWA sold the DC9 flying to Compass and Mesaba. However, we failed to act when the opportunity existed to fix the error.
How we were ever so f$%&ing naive is amazing. Our lesson, and what happened on your side of the aisle needs to be a wake call to every junior pilot that some of those elected to represent all pilots on the seniority list will sell your seniority down the river in a blink while protecting theirs.
They can honestly tell you "Scope does not matter" - it doesn't - to them.
01-23-2009 | 02:45 PM
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Well, first of all, we did not end the year with 58 DC-9's. As of a few weeks ago, from one of the higher ups, we have 68 or 69 (I admit, I can't remember the exact number). He said we were supposed to go down to that number, but with the ecomomy the way it was, we weren't. Thus the reason for more DC-9 pilots.
It's not even fun anymore because apparently Sailling will never stop.
It's not even fun anymore because apparently Sailling will never stop.
01-23-2009 | 02:50 PM
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I am sure the airframes are good to 2020. However they require extra inspections under the aging aircraft rules. All airframes require major airframe inspections at various intervals. Delta management has stated they will not make the investment in the nines to extend them. I posted here a year ago that we would be down to 62 nines at year end. I was called all kinds of names for saying that. I was wrong. We ended the year with 58. Even premerger NWA planned on the airframes being out of service by 2012.
Wrong again, no suprise there.
Premerger NWA did not plan on the DC9 being out of service by 2012. Please STOP spreading your ridiculous rumors and inaccurate info. It's getting really old. In case you didn't realize, the list is done.What the heck are you smoking?
01-23-2009 | 03:37 PM
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I am smoking NWA own fleet plan and 10q reports. The last 10Q available is for the quarter ending Sep 30. At that point NWA had the following DC-9's total on the property.
DC-9-30's 22
DC-9-40's 11
DC-9-5o's 34
Total 67
Retirements planed in the 4 quarter 9.
Total 58
I do not know if all the retirements occurred. I do know that we started the year with 100 nines. Just a few years ago NWA had 180 nines. If they are not being retired where are they going!!!!!
DC-9-30's 22
DC-9-40's 11
DC-9-5o's 34
Total 67
Retirements planed in the 4 quarter 9.
Total 58
I do not know if all the retirements occurred. I do know that we started the year with 100 nines. Just a few years ago NWA had 180 nines. If they are not being retired where are they going!!!!!
01-23-2009 | 03:38 PM
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I think we deserve an apology on that one. I know I got worked up over that one, apparently for no reason.
(Ok Sailing, I'll stop. But, it would be nice if you gave us an update.)
01-23-2009 | 03:50 PM
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I am smoking NWA own fleet plan and 10q reports. The last 10Q available is for the quarter ending Sep 30. At that point NWA had the following DC-9's total on the property.
DC-9-30's 22
DC-9-40's 11
DC-9-5o's 34
Total 67
Retirements planed in the 4 quarter 9.
Total 58
I do not know if all the retirements occurred. I do know that we started the year with 100 nines. Just a few years ago NWA had 180 nines. If they are not being retired where are they going!!!!!
DC-9-30's 22
DC-9-40's 11
DC-9-5o's 34
Total 67
Retirements planed in the 4 quarter 9.
Total 58
I do not know if all the retirements occurred. I do know that we started the year with 100 nines. Just a few years ago NWA had 180 nines. If they are not being retired where are they going!!!!!
You can't go from a statement of fact that we ended the year with 58 DC-9's to "I don't know if all the retirments occured." You habe to qualifiy your remarks with something like, "The planned to have 58 DC-9's" or "The last I saw, they had 67 DC-9's and they were planning on parking 8 more" or "I really don't know how many DC-9's we have, I'm just typing without researching." That way people can take only those statements with a grain of salt. If you don't, then people will take EVERYTHING you say with a grain of salt. Hell, maybe even the whole shaker.
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01-23-2009 | 04:07 PM
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Sailling,
You can't go from a statement of fact that we ended the year with 58 DC-9's to "I don't know if all the retirments occured." You habe to qualifiy your remarks with something like, "The planned to have 58 DC-9's" or "The last I saw, they had 67 DC-9's and they were planning on parking 8 more" or "I really don't know how many DC-9's we have, I'm just typing without researching." That way people can take only those statements with a grain of salt. If you don't, then people will take EVERYTHING you say with a grain of salt. Hell, maybe even the whole shaker.
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You can't go from a statement of fact that we ended the year with 58 DC-9's to "I don't know if all the retirments occured." You habe to qualifiy your remarks with something like, "The planned to have 58 DC-9's" or "The last I saw, they had 67 DC-9's and they were planning on parking 8 more" or "I really don't know how many DC-9's we have, I'm just typing without researching." That way people can take only those statements with a grain of salt. If you don't, then people will take EVERYTHING you say with a grain of salt. Hell, maybe even the whole shaker.
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Mmmmmmmm.....salt.......tequila....mmmmmmm
01-23-2009 | 05:40 PM
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I have no update to give you on the jumpseat. I have no reason to believe he was not telling me the truth. He was my copilot in recurrent. He handled it through the jumpseat coordinator. I am sure if you ask your jumpseat coordinator he would be aware of it. He is one of the few DAL pilots who lived in MSP. He commutes to NYC. He was as I mentioned offered a seat in the back if one was available but was told he could not ride in the cockpit because of the tensions between the groups.
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