ALPA - wake up and seize the opportunity
01-29-2009, 07:30 AM
#21
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 78
First off ALPA is worthless! That's why we got rid of them!!!!! Second and most importantly,you guys are missing a big factor here, ALPA is no longer ALPA(Air Line Pilots Assoc). It's now RALPA....the Regional Air Line Pilots Assoc...The pilots of the regional/national/commuter,etc now out number the pilots of the legacy/majors in the ranks of ALPA! Why would they want to be on the bottom end of a national seniority list and have to flow through and up a mainline list? I think it would be more to their liking to make a new ALPA merger policy that all pliots at any mainline carrier get stapled to the bottom of the list of the express carriers! They now hold the trump card and can impose this type of policy. Be afraid be very afraid!! Dump ALPA now!!!
01-29-2009, 08:02 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 284
One point (of many) everyone seems to miss when this topic comes up is that every other profession that has salary "portability" does not have a seniority system.
For example, lawyers are not made partner based on seniority.
Our industry is different.
For example, lawyers are not made partner based on seniority.
Our industry is different.
01-29-2009, 08:39 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: DHC-8 CA Furloughed
Posts: 305
Originally Posted by War Eagle 83
First off ALPA is worthless! That's why we got rid of them!!!!!
I thought you got rid of them because you did not like the arbitrator's decision about seniority integration. A national seniority list would have avoided the cannibalism some USAirways pilots are now engaged in.
ALPA is no longer ALPA(Air Line Pilots Assoc). It's now RALPA....the Regional Air Line Pilots Assoc...
I thought you got rid of them because you did not like the arbitrator's decision about seniority integration. A national seniority list would have avoided the cannibalism some USAirways pilots are now engaged in.
ALPA is no longer ALPA(Air Line Pilots Assoc). It's now RALPA....the Regional Air Line Pilots Assoc...
01-29-2009, 01:33 PM
#24
Snakes & Nape
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: B-767 Captain
Posts: 775
A Waste of Napalm
Originally Posted by Riddler
Here's the solution. ALPA needs to standardize PAY, and make PAY "portable" such that a 10 year 737 FO gets paid the same at every airline. If that FO decides to leave for another airline, then he or she still gets 10th year 737 FO pay.
OK, flame away!
OK, flame away!
Secondly, ALPA, in reality, has become "YOYO" as one astute reader posted on another thread. That accurately means "You're On Your Own". The organization has nothing to do with pay in today's environment, does not have the power to get anything worthwhile accomplished on a national level and in my view, is a waste of dues money.
To your point, a national seniority list will not work in this environment. Period. Maybe, just maybe, 10 years ago if everyone had the guts to take a stand and put their jobs on the line......"maybe", but a weak chance at best.
A lot of pilot groups have come up with a slant on the concept but there isn't a way it will work.
Just my two cents devalued to $.0000102391098 on today's market close.
G'day Mates
01-29-2009, 04:09 PM
#25
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 78
"I thought you got rid of them because you did not like the arbitrator's decision about seniority integration. A national seniority list would have avoided the cannibalism some USAirways pilots are now engaged in" Dash, most of the folks still in ALPA think the same thing (it's called ALPA propoganda). We did not get rid of ALPA because of the arbiters ruling and it's not about screwing the west pilots...it was just the final straw and we weren't gonna be screwed by Dictator Prator and ALPA anymore. You guys still in ALPA DO need to understand that the folks flying the small planes DO out number the mainline pilots. Last time I looked the majority does rule.
01-29-2009, 06:19 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: DHC-8 CA Furloughed
Posts: 305
Originally Posted by War Eagle 83
We did not get rid of ALPA because of the arbiters ruling and it's not about screwing the west pilots...it was just the final straw and we weren't gonna be screwed by Dictator Prator and ALPA anymore. You guys still in ALPA DO need to understand that the folks flying the small planes DO out number the mainline pilots. Last time I looked the majority does rule.
You say you got rid of ALPA to avoid being screwed, not to screw the west pilots. It's all in whose ox gets gored. How many west pilots agree with USAPA? How come people always argue vehemently that the most "fair" seniority system just happens to be the one the puts them highest on the list?
01-29-2009, 09:11 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by War Eagle 83
"I thought you got rid of them because you did not like the arbitrator's decision about seniority integration. A national seniority list would have avoided the cannibalism some USAirways pilots are now engaged in" Dash, most of the folks still in ALPA think the same thing (it's called ALPA propoganda). We did not get rid of ALPA because of the arbiters ruling and it's not about screwing the west pilots...it was just the final straw and we weren't gonna be screwed by Dictator Prator and ALPA anymore. You guys still in ALPA DO need to understand that the folks flying the small planes DO out number the mainline pilots. Last time I looked the majority does rule.
01-30-2009, 07:47 AM
#29
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Pilot
Posts: 2,625
APLA is worthless and I am ashamed I was ever part of such terrible union. Prater and all the other higher ups are no different than the upper management in airlines. All they care about is their huge paycheck and making it even bigger and could care less about anyone of us pilots. Prater is all talk and no game, and that will not change. Maybe we should cut his pay and see how he likes it.
01-30-2009, 07:21 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: NU Guy
Posts: 437
Originally Posted by Red Forman
APLA is worthless and I am ashamed I was ever part of such terrible union. Prater and all the other higher ups are no different than the upper management in airlines. All they care about is their huge paycheck and making it even bigger and could care less about anyone of us pilots. Prater is all talk and no game, and that will not change. Maybe we should cut his pay and see how he likes it.
