Actually I'm anxious for the AE because I plan to switch my base, which would also involve switching airplanes. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to hold it, but it would be really nice if I could go into training before I am due for recurrent training. I am very anxious to stop commuting by airplane to work and start commuting by car!

 

I'm with AlphaR on no furlough, but hiring not so sure that's necessary.

 

Resorted to posting in multiple threads now, eh? Fair enough.

I'll let the forum audience decide whether Hawaiian is in our peer group. They have a fleet of 36 airplanes and fly to an impressive 15 cities from 4 different Hawaiian destinations. 452 total pilots.

So, assuming they DO count, then we are 2nd out of 7. Care to comment on any of the others, and explain why ALPA (who represents Hawaiian, BTW) and by extension the DAL MEC should be replaced?

 

No, it was a Lady. She was very friendly, but not much help. Anyway, I am really happy with the tablet pc. Works well for everything, except I-crew.

 

Apologies for thread drift and not going back to read the prevoius 6400 pages but a question--

-- What's the latest on where new hires go? Still NYC?
-- How big is MSP? How hard is it to get there for junior guys?

Thanks

 

PG:

so when are your dalpa buds going to post the industry contract comparison spreadsheet? depending on how it is spun; it will be a fantastic barometer for the pilot group indicating whether dalpa is focused on restoration or....not?

ps...plz remind the spreadsheet author(s) to include SWA, and Hawaiian's significant total compensation/benefit pkg! Thx

 

The management guy has time to post your responses in multiple threads, but he never answered my question about Hawaiian being a Delta peer either...the one where Hawaiian's creditors were paid 100 cents on the dollar in their sham bankruptcy. Delta pilots were the second largest creditor in our trip through the courts and got 60 cents on the dollar. The largest creditor only got 46 cents...

As he does his seat math, he fails to mention that Hawaiian 767 pay is also their A330 pay. Delta pays the A330 at $205 per hour compared to HAL's $191 per hour. Of course, we could use his same seat cost "argument"...Hawaiian's 767ER's seat 264 people, Delta's 216. And our 757's in international configuration only seat 160 at the exact same payrate...is that seat cost argument still sounding good? No spin there... He also conveniently omits that Delta's 124 seat 737 also pays $174 per hour, and our 124 seat A319 pays $168/hr, and our 125 seat DC-9 pays $157 per hour...maybe we have entered the spin zone! Oh, and how many hours was the average Delta pilot compensated last year? 87 hours per month, nowhere near the guarantees...Hawaiian? Maybe it's time for the DPA forum to do some more Form 41 research.

I wonder how long you'll have to wait for for your answers. The DPA guys jumped on me for being gone 10 hours on Easter Sunday.

 

Now that's a figure I've not seen anywhere. Where can I independently verify that number?

Carl

 

Some newhires were sent to MSP in the most recent hiring wave. It really depends on your position within your newhire class as to where you end up.

As for the size of the MSP base, there are currently 1651 pilots spread among the 5 fleets based in MSP. That includes the A330, 7ER, A320, MD88/90 and the DC-9. The largest fleet is currently the A320 with 616 total pilots. The smallest is the A330 with 111 pilots.

Even if you don't get MSP initially, you would likely be able to bid into MSP within 6 months to a year if things remain as they currently stand. Hope that helps.

 

In YOUR seat math discussion you fail to mention the following:

Southwest $210 per hour, divided by 137 seats per aircraft = 1.53 per seat per hour.

That "seat math" yields the following for the 747: 1.53 per seat per hour X 403 seats per aircraft = $616.59 per hour.

I know, I know, Southwest is not one of our peers we can compare to.

Carl