Weren't there a couple of failed Dallas- Louisianna J31/32 operators in the past decade of so, I believe tied in to Casino's? Is this the same bunch of guy/s trying it again only with EAS?

 

The top two guys were at Casino. There is an Angel Investor. They've been working on their cert. for over 5 years. Can't get it strait.

They have one, almost flyable, J31. It's presently in parts. Has not been airborne since 2005, and that was under a ferry permit form Cali. to KDAL. There is another airframe at KDAL that will never fly. The GM, former Casino guy, is insistent on using this type. He's spent more on the one in parts in the hangar than the airplane's worth. He's been looking at some old Boston-Maine aircraft. They're also dogs. The DM has been around JS since they came out. Good guy. The CI is also a good guy, but a little of a victim of circumstance, ex-DAL and UPS, and the CP is an old Indy Air guy. He's extremely knowledgeable about ATOS. He could make a fortune on his own as a consultant if he wanted to. (???)

They have no leases on anything. They pay rent for 1/4 of a hangar and office space in it. They've been through 4 DO's on the last year or so.

I worked in their "office" last year for a short period. Don't hold your breath for this thing to get started anytime soon. I really think they just want a cert. to sell.

They're not going to pay you much, they're gonna stretch the CFR's, and there will be a training contract. Stay away. You were warned.

 

Pay is $35 to $49 per hour for CAPTAINS


They will be doing proving runs soon. I bet they will have about 1000 applications.

 

I agree hours in the aircraft are relatively a non-event. But the hours of study required for the knowledge is something else. Some pilots are so quick to dismiss the ground time, and only recognize the flight time.

 

Looking for a new DO. Just fired that last one. That's 3 in a year.

Airplane is in pieces in the hangar.

 

I just interviewed for a position and they seemed close to certification and are going to fly some part 91 for demonstration and some proving runs to get their part 121 cert.

If they had (3) DOs in one year, it seems to be one may have been very old and has since died, the second one was not qualified to be DO, yet they tried to get a deviation from FAA and FAA said no. The third was fired.

Sounds like normal turn over for the aviation world when you have people that do not qualify, are too old, or are fired.

A DO is a top management position and if fired, must have been important to terminate to make the company better. When a top management position is fired it must have been a big problem.

They said the plane was in parts because they opened it up so FAA could do an ageing aircraft and corrosion inspections for conformity, seem SOP to me.

Not sure why the sour grapes about this airlines. I do not see many others trying to hire and expand in this economy.

Anyone that can offer me another shot at work is a choice I did not have before. If I do not like the pay or duty station I will simply turn, go and wish them good luck. Again, not sure why the negative hits on this new startup. Must be former employees and sour grapes.

Not everyone will "ride for the brand" where they have to support the brand before themselves, especially on a startup.

If I can get part 121 experience at their expense I will ride for the brand, even if the money is low for I still will get the part 121 time on my resume when everyone else is being laid off. Over time part 121 pay is better then part 91.

I am just happy to have choices and some pay is better then no pay!

 

Well, since they haven't been in business before, I'd say it's not likely to be disguntled former employees. A DO has to have an ATP and three of the last six years as PIC in 121 or 135 ops. They can't find someone who meets those criteria and have to try to get a waiver? Oh, right, they're paying 600-700 a week. And you say since the DO is top management, to have to fire him, it must have been a big problem. The question is, where was the problem? Was the DO doing something wrong, or were the owners asking him to do something he didn't think was right? It could go either way.

I think the reason you see the negativity here is we're all wondering what they're smoking? They've been working on this for a while on a shoe string. Problem is, ATOS requires you to jump through the same hoops, whether you're a one plane start up or American Airlines. You know as soon as they start, AA and Continetal will have $39 fares to Louisiana out of DFW and IAH. After 30+ years doing this foolishness, I wish them luck. I sent a resume off 350 but it's been 20 years since I was near a Jetstream and I haven't heard anything back. I'm not holding my breath.

 

Unbelievable. Why do I get the feeling that you're going to get hired on this one??

If these guys are short on startup cash that they can't afford to pay decent wages, why don't they just make it 9 bucks an hour for CAs and pay for training for FOs? I'm sure people like this guy will show up anyways, refer to his last sentence.

 

The aircraft has NOT flown since 2005. It was never placed in a storage program, just hangared.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

Small Community Airlines showed me their aircraft, a J31 tail number N831JS that is in their hanger and yes it in parts going through conformity with FAA, just as it should be.
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This aircraft was last flown the end of May 2009 when it was flown to DAL.

Why do you say “The aircraft has NOT flown since 2005” and “Don't say I didn't warn you”.

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Why do you have such hart-burn for this company?

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What did they do to you?

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Are you the DO they fired?

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You need to get your facts straight before making claims like “The aircraft has NOT flown since 2005.”

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SCA showed me the aircraft they are leasing. The J31/ N831JS is the aircraft they are finishing their part 121 cert with, and they told me FAA is pleased with this aircraft.

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I researched the flight activity of N831JS with FlightAware.com and it checked out.

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It was flown to DAL at the end of May of 2009 just like SCA told me. During the month of April and May 2009 N831JS was flown 15 times for over 18 hours.

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Here is the link to the flight data records for the months of April and May 2009 from FlightAware.com for J31 / N831JS and if you are a member you can go back and see more flights:

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FlightAware > Live Flight Tracker > N831JS

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This does not appear to be an aircraft that “has NOT flown since 2005”.

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Before you go around casting doubts about the aircraft used for certification and the company, you would be well served to actually do some research.

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I prefer to be positive and encourage a company that can create a great number of jobs.

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Everyone is trying to get the economy started again and grow new jobs. I think we should support new start-ups and not attack them with false statements.

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I hope they hire many.