Or they could option to reduce RJS and frequency while moving the same number of seats with larger planes ( paid for dc9s md88s) :)

Who knows?

I had recently heard that 18 month furloughs could be cost effective. I also heard that we are close to that right now meaning that we are right around a 15 month furlough therefore not making it cost effective yet. I don't know how this new pullback will effect those #'s, but if they need the same staffing NEXT summer that they need THIS summer then furloughs aren't an option. Now I suppose they could shift flying to DCIs next summer which may allow furloughs, but I'm guessing we are still on the fence every week. Talk about living on the edge. ;)

Domestic is saving this airline right now. When international has cuts it effects us more due to crew augmentation.
Like I said wait and see what the decided. They are working the numbers now. I am sure details will be out later this week or early next. ;)
That said, the forecast for later next year makes it difficult to furlough for long term. Now if we see an adjustment in that number there could be furloughs.
Like I said, they are still stating no furloughs, but most of flight ops did not know about this.

Peter Schiff again speaks poorly on our economy.

If you don't know who he is, he was one of the doomsayers back in the early 00s who said we were going to go bust.

LiveLeak.com - Peter Schiff on BNN Canada

-Fatty

We get it Fatty. You're a pessimist. We get it. :rolleyes:

I just want people to be prepared !

It is good to be prepared.

You need to stop reading Schiff and start reading Mish......A whole different perspective.

NO! I want to live in DENIAL! I'm just kidding. ;) Thanks for the input. :D

I agree. I started ramping up my plans a few months ago. ;)

They can't put anyone out on the street until they get the 88 beefed up. That won't be done until about July or so, and we probably need all of those bodies through the end of the summer. (I Just got done with 2 three day rotations off reserve that nearly put me over 30 in 7) Then you're talking about taking the quite a few of the pilots you just trained for that airplane, putting them on the street, and training a whole new batch to take their place. That would add quite a bit of cost as well - although I understand the training dept has had revolving doors before. That being said, that puts a furlough fairly deep in the economic cycle (In September the recession would be 22 months old,) and likely (hopefully!) closer to end than the beginning. Does it make sense to cut when you may have to bring those pilots back in less than 2 years?

And then, of course, there is the 76 seat issue. Does anybody know how many are actually on property, or on their way? I guess the deal says (on paper) if any of us get furloughed, they get knocked down to 126 (?) of those airplanes immediately. And for whatever reason, management still seem to have a woody for those things.

We also haven't had any voluntary leaves/furloughs/early outs etc. offered to the pilot group - so hopefully they'll go there before kicking us to the curb.

Then there are the arguments of no furlough clauses, under staffing in the north, more airframes on the way, company making money, summer schedules vs. all the negatives in the world and industry right now.

Its gonna be a close call, to be sure. Lots of variables, and Airline management is world renowned for stepping over dollars to pick up pennies. We can only hope that this group is different. As ACL said, all will become clear in a few days. I'm in the bottom 50, so I'll be one of the first to find out...

Hoping for the best, already planned for the worst.