DOHHH!!!

Carl...Delta Air Lines pilot

 

Just as I expected, Carl. And you're correct, it was not meant as an attack. Our backrounds, like many guys in the 48+ age bracket (which I assume you are part of) came up in a time where the regional system was nowhere near as developed as it is today. So we cut our teeth doing the other things and learning the hard way about the value of standing together. Back then, ALPA was barely interested in commuters, let along cargo or anything else.

The point is that we must reach out and back to the regionals. We can't fix the past, but if we are to survive and keep good jobs at the majors, we must have a solid foundation below us at the regionals. That means ensuring they have solid wage and benefit packages that dovetail into mainline jobs, pay and benefits as well. Only then will the airlines stop playing this game.

As to the illegality of #3, mentioned by johnnyjetprop, I have to disagree.

A sympathy strike is not illegal. The EAL pilots went out on a sympathy strike in support of the IAM (no, let's not open that can of worms, but they did and it's legal)

More recently, the pilots over at Atlas did the same in support of Polar (again, let's not open the debate) What was important is that when management got an injunction against the Atlas pilots, they found that the Atlas CBA "no strike" language DID allow them to honor ANY picket line. What's important here is that as the ruling is written by the Federal District Court, it supported the arguement that a pilot has the right to refuse to cross any legal picket line. Therefore, if a pilot group were to strike and set up a picket line at say, ATL...all union pilots could legally refuse to cross the picket line.

Now...talk about economic clout? A regional getting crap wages goes on strike and puts up pickets at the major airports it serves. ALL union pilots legally refuse to cross. Where do you think the pressure will come from to settle the strike? Can you say other airline CEO's??

IF each airline had the same language in their CBA...NOW you have unity.

Like I said Carl, hope you did not think it was personal. Sure wasn't intended that way.

 

So Carl, can you explain why when Lee ran for office two months ago, not one person ran against him? Are the LEC reps so afraid of the guy THEY ELECT that they can't field even one other candidate? Is this like Chicago and Lee has some henchmen to beat up the reps if they don't comply? If there is widespread dissatisfaction with the MEC Chairman, shouldn't the field have been wide open?

The entire premise of your argument is completely illogical and based on nothing other than your imagination. A few years back, the Delta MEC didn't approve of the performance of the MEC Chairman and they elected another guy. (Lee) If Lee is not performing in a manner acceptable to the LEC reps then they should replace him. Based on an uncontested election two months ago it seems highly unlikely.

If some LEC rep is upset with Lee, then they should have had the gumption to run against him in January.

 

Regional pilots know the game! Do you understand the game?


PIC time is king... it get you more money and the hours needed to apply at a major. Regional pilots are all about growth and they will sacrifice anything for it.


SAVE THE PROFESSION... STOP CHANGING SCOPE!!!!!!

 

Thanks for the post bud. And no, I didn't take your post personally.

Carl

 

Yes I can. My opinion is that people are too afraid of him to run. That is typical of personality cults. How many people run against Kim Jong Il?

Yes.

No.

I don't believe there IS widespread dissatisfaction among the MEC. I believe there IS among the membership, but that doesn't matter at ALPA.

You mean like NWA pilots having gotten a worse deal in arbitration than they would have gotten had they accepted Lee's offer in February of 2008?

As I said earlier, the MEC is probably satisfied. Especially if they agree with Lee that RJ's are good for Delta Air Lines.

That doesn't happen with personality cults.

Carl

 

You are comparing Lee Moak to Kim Jong Il? You're trying to say the situation at DALPA is like North Korea? In a long list, that's the most ridiculous thing you've posted.

 

Carl,

Do you really mean that the entire 12,000+ pilots at Delta are all part of some personality cult, excepting you of course? Any pilot on the seniority list was eligible to run. The rest of it just shows that you are just making this up as you go along. I get it, you don't like Lee or his policies. Don't project that onto anyone other than yourself. Your political theories are a little laughable.

 

I've never said the entire 12,000+ pilots at Delta are all part of some personality cult. Just the opposite. I've said I think a great number of pilots are dissatisfied with the way our MEC has abdicated its rightful role. It has abdicated that role to a cult of personality. That's what I've said. Don't you listen?

I never said they weren't.

Kind of like you with that assertion of all 12,000+ pilots?

Again, you're just making that up as well. I don't know Lee. I've never met him. I don't have a bone to pick with him. My problem is with an MEC who has LET this personality cult go unchecked, and failed in its duty to represent the views of all pilots. This latest Scope cave-in is just the most recent example.

Carl