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04-22-2009, 03:46 PM
#41
A moment please...
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Originally Posted by FORTL
DING!
So much for the "Brotherhood".
Name calling on either side isn't going to help. But really, how do you ever build trust for another group that will not abide by a decision made under the rules that group had agreed to?
So much for the "Brotherhood".
Name calling on either side isn't going to help. But really, how do you ever build trust for another group that will not abide by a decision made under the rules that group had agreed to?
04-23-2009, 04:37 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Thanks Cactus,
I don't disagree with you, but remember all East pilots are not in charge of the union and you will have to fly with them at some point. I wish you both luck.
New K Now
I don't disagree with you, but remember all East pilots are not in charge of the union and you will have to fly with them at some point. I wish you both luck.
New K Now
04-23-2009, 04:52 AM
#43
Looking for a laugh
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Posts: 4,099
Originally Posted by JetPiedmont
Probably best to keep them apart, fence the crew bases, and forget about any synergies from a fully intergrated operation.
04-23-2009, 06:23 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Then what's the point of the merger? From a pilot POV, that might make sense, but Wall Street and the shareholders/investors will push hard to complete the merger. Employees can only delay the inevitable and make dealing with the end result that much more difficult.
There may be some point in the future when both sides look back and try to figure out how it came to this. They will probably kick themselves and spend a lot of time thinking why didn't we change. I am hoping this happens before thousands of careers are flushed down the toilet.
04-23-2009, 07:14 AM
#45
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Position: recalled until the next round of right sizing to optimise synergies
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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
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This East/West side stuff has to go.....you guys should be embarassed by how seamless the Super Delta merger is going. Its not a matter of "Who Saved Who". .
This East/West side stuff has to go.....you guys should be embarassed by how seamless the Super Delta merger is going. Its not a matter of "Who Saved Who". .
The Delta merger has both sides a little upset but both can live with it.
See the difference?
That was the lesson the ALPA learned from the US Air mess
04-23-2009, 07:31 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Cactusone
I'm not sure you understand whats going on so here's what it's "about"
Here's my seven points:
1. USAPA is suing west pilots (18) for big dollars each for doing thing such as posting on a web board and calling there phone number a bunch of times. It was thrown out with prejudiced and they appealed!
2. USAPA is trying to get several hundred pilots fired for not paying dues even thou they were not even accepted for membership at the time.
3. Submitted to the company a new seniority list with the east pilots at the top of coarse.
4. Will not extend furlough insurance benefits to west furloughed.
5. Willfully delaying contract negotiations so as not to implement the nic arb.
6. Had to be forced in the presence of a federal judge to file a fair grievance for out of seniority furloughs (west of course)
7. Won't allow a west pilot to run for office, so it must be threatened by the Dept of Labor to rerun election and have west pilot on ballot.
I could go on and on...
These people in charge of this union are low life's...period.
Here's my seven points:
1. USAPA is suing west pilots (18) for big dollars each for doing thing such as posting on a web board and calling there phone number a bunch of times. It was thrown out with prejudiced and they appealed!
2. USAPA is trying to get several hundred pilots fired for not paying dues even thou they were not even accepted for membership at the time.
3. Submitted to the company a new seniority list with the east pilots at the top of coarse.
4. Will not extend furlough insurance benefits to west furloughed.
5. Willfully delaying contract negotiations so as not to implement the nic arb.
6. Had to be forced in the presence of a federal judge to file a fair grievance for out of seniority furloughs (west of course)
7. Won't allow a west pilot to run for office, so it must be threatened by the Dept of Labor to rerun election and have west pilot on ballot.
I could go on and on...
These people in charge of this union are low life's...period.
Do you really believe making stuff up helps with your self proclaimed, high moral ground, pure as the driven snow positions?
I have tried to stay out of these arguments lately as there is no point, but when I read lies like the above, I have to at least call on anyone reading to at least look into this crap before believing any of it.
04-23-2009, 07:47 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by fr8tmastr
I agree, but this is what happens when a decision is made tha one side finds completely unworkable and the other has no problem with.
The Delta merger has both sides a little upset but both can live with it.
See the difference?
That was the lesson the ALPA learned from the US Air mess
The Delta merger has both sides a little upset but both can live with it.
See the difference?
That was the lesson the ALPA learned from the US Air mess
04-23-2009, 08:51 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
The DL/NW award and the US/AWA award are actually very similar. What is different is the expectations that the USAir east group had (has?). DOH was always an unlikely outcome (in either arbitration). Leadership on the east should have recognized that reality, and moderated the expectations of the membership.
Were you happy with the DAL/NWA SLI?
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