Lambourne

Joe,

Here is the issue. When a passenger can go to a ASA website, ticket office, ticket counter and buy a ticket that is written on ASA. The flight is offered in CRS as ASA code and ASA takes all of the risk, scheduling etc for the flight then perhaps you might have some say in what happens in the back of your airplane. Otherwise you are a hired gun to carry the passengers that DL tells you carry, when to carry them and where to land them. It is not your option as to what happens to the boarding priority when someone else owns ALL of the seats in the cabin.

You want to start a jumpseat war? Knock yourself out. In fact you might want to practice the speach, you will give the jumpseaters, in the mirror in the Motel 6 on your next layover. Make it all Col. Jessup-ey if you wish. The whole, "you need me on the jet, you want me on the jet" thing. I am sure DAL management is concerned about what you have to say about this issue.

L

John Pennekamp

Nobody at ASA is talking about a jumpseat war except Joe.

What we did threaten, and still intend to carry out, it failing to "work the numbers" on weight limited flights. There are certain things we can do like call the dispatcher and drop contingency fuel, make liberal kid counts, etc. to accommodate non-revs.

If we were to lose non-rev priority on our own flights, we really wouldn't be motivated to do such things anymore. A lot of mainline pilots commute to work on 50 seaters out of Florida. These tend to be the most weight limited flights. As it turns out, DAL "let" us keep priority on our own flights.

NWA320pilot

Another mature action...... When are you guys going to realize it is DAL not pilots that make the pass rules? I hope you grow up someday.

TheWagman

John -- If you're company is selling the tickets then by all means you should have priority on your own flights. But when Delta mainline is buying all your seats then that is different isn't it??? Ben

John Pennekamp

Hope for all you want. Guess I touched a nerve because you know it works. We managed to keep priority on our own metal. This has nothing to do with growing up, it has to do with standing up to a bully who wants to take something away from us because of a paperwork exercise we weren't party to.

John Pennekamp

But we do have priority on our own flights. And it's going to stay that way.

I hate the mainline attitude of what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine. We at ASA used to have DOH on mainline. I most likely would bump you on a mainline flight if it were still that way. We (the pilot group) did not ask to be bought by Delta, lose our code, then be tossed aside and sold (or loaned if ACL65 is correct) to SkyWest. So you all can stop with the "we own all your seats, nyah, nyah crap. The situation is not as simple as some of you make it out to be, and you get what you negotiate, not what you deserve.

NWA320pilot

No nerve here as I don't do Florida..... How is hurting your fellow pilots standing up to a bully? My children would never be allowed to play the game of "if you don't play by my rules I am taking my ball and going home" yet this is exactly what you are acting like, hence the maturity remark. Ever hear the phrase you catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

NWA320pilot

So not helping fellow pilots is negotiating......? Looking at your statement you are made at your management yet you decide that mainline DAL pilots should be punished, why?

John Pennekamp

It's the opposite. We had DOH on everything, and mainline took their ball and went home.

I blame the pilots because DALPA has been pushing for this ever since we got DOH when Delta bought us.

So you view us as "children". that's nice.

As a FNWA pilot I wouldn't expect you to know about any of this, but it sure doesn't seem to keep you from offering an opinion. Get the facts.

NWA320pilot

The facts are that you are mad so you intend to take it out on fellow pilots..... As I said before very mature.