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Old 04-21-2009, 08:43 AM
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With the inclusion of the FNWA regionals with DOH for passes, the only employee group that did not carry DOH for passes with them are the pilots who interviewed and got hired at NWA and DAL.

Thousands of ASA's rampers and gate agents were "hired" by Delta with their pass benefits. Why not the pilots who were hired by Delta the same month?

With the upcoming displacement of legions of Delta pilots, the effect of Delta's generosity with pass benefits is that Delta pilots are going to find it difficult to commute to and from the cities where they never wanted to work in the first place.

A Mesaba ramper on his way to enjoy dinner and a movie on a 777 out of Atlanta is going to bump ACL 65 on his return from IOE on a DC9. Fair?

Any way to "me too" on the DOH that every other employee group has enjoyed as Delta has enjoyed the benefits of merger synergies?
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The ASA rampers to be best of my knowledge for a new hire date for passes and it was June XX, 2007. They kept their YOS for other bennies.
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The PWA states you get the benefit now how it is administered. (Em going to be the the words used to retort this. )
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
With the inclusion of the FNWA regionals with DOH for passes, the only employee group that did not carry DOH for passes with them are the pilots who interviewed and got hired at NWA and DAL.

Thousands of ASA's rampers and gate agents were "hired" by Delta with their pass benefits. Why not the pilots who were hired by Delta the same month?

With the upcoming displacement of legions of Delta pilots, the effect of Delta's generosity with pass benefits is that Delta pilots are going to find it difficult to commute to and from the cities where they never wanted to work in the first place.

A Mesaba ramper on his way to enjoy dinner and a movie on a 777 out of Atlanta is going to bump ACL 65 on his return from IOE on a DC9. Fair?

Any way to "me too" on the DOH that every other employee group has enjoyed as Delta has enjoyed the benefits of merger synergies?
Hey Bar, which way do you want it? Regionals with date of hire on your mainline seniority list, or mainline preference for pass riding...? Or do you want your CMR date of hire for your Delta pass benefits, so you can bump your classmates at Delta?

Patience, grasshopper. Drums are saying there's a change coming. I'm sure ACL can fill you in on the details when he's finished bumping the Mesaba ramper.
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The ASA rampers to be best of my knowledge for a new hire date for passes and it was June XX, 2007. They kept their YOS for other bennies.
Not only that, but there are not "thousands" old ASA rampers and CSAs, more like a few hundred. And those were only the ones who work in Atlanta. The ones who work the outstations are still ASA and travel S3C on mainline flights just like all the other DCI employees, including Comair.
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Not only that, but there are not "thousands" old ASA rampers and CSAs, more like a few hundred. And those were only the ones who work in Atlanta. The ones who work the outstations are still ASA and travel S3C on mainline flights just like all the other DCI employees, including Comair.
That's what is changing. At least according to NWA pilots on the ALPA board. Full S2's, S3's like anyone else.

Maybe the poster was incorrect. ACL says the F-ASA'ers lost DOH. I remember a different deal.
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
Hey Bar, which way do you want it? Regionals with date of hire on your mainline seniority list, or mainline preference for pass riding...? Or do you want your CMR date of hire for your Delta pass benefits, so you can bump your classmates at Delta?

Patience, grasshopper. Drums are saying there's a change coming. I'm sure ACL can fill you in on the details when he's finished bumping the Mesaba ramper.
Funny. Do I get to do that with the dinner and the movie?
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
That's what is changing. At least according to NWA pilots on the ALPA board. Full S2's, S3's like anyone else.

Maybe the poster was incorrect. ACL says the F-ASA'ers lost DOH. I remember a different deal.
Like I said my recollection is this.
There were people in the know at ASA that came to DAL and wanted to make sure they got a hire date prior to the change over in June of 2007. You know this person Bar.
Lets take it one step further. The rampers do not travel like we do and they will not be going to places like MSP, DTW, and MEM. They go to places like MCO, HNL and UVF.
I am not worried about that.

The thing is that OH gets DOH passes at DAL. They had a decision to make. Make OH like EV and then XJ and CPS like EV, or make them like OH and keep their bennies DOH. As much as it may bump some people, it is better for the gander, even if it huts a few geese.
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Hey Bar, which way do you want it? Regionals with date of hire on your mainline seniority list, or mainline preference for pass riding...? Or do you want your CMR date of hire for your Delta pass benefits, so you can bump your classmates at Delta?

Patience, grasshopper. Drums are saying there's a change coming. I'm sure ACL can fill you in on the details when he's finished bumping the Mesaba ramper.
Eh' neither. I'd like them stapled on the list with their logevity for benefits, which would be as close to status quo as could reasonably be expected.

OK, so nobody thinks much of this idea? Back to "Call in Honest" then.
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It is in effect status quo as compared to our wholly owned OH. There is a precedence here.
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