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Old 04-22-2009, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I suspec tthe only policy that some here would be happy with is that we go first on their flights and first on our flights.
That's the way it was at FNWA...I'll put my vote in for that system.
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Again this policy if you think it out is in our best interest from the most junior to most senior pilot. Remember that the junior pilot is going to be here a long time. In 3 years he will be senior to 90 percent of the employees at a owned DCI carrier and have priority on their as well as mainline flights. Since DCI is a big part of our domestic system only someone with a really flawed logic process would want to go to the back of the line on those flights. Everything is a tradeoff. In this case its a great trade for the mainline. I suspec tthe only policy that some here would be happy with is that we go first on their flights and first on our flights.
Sailing, your post shows a lack of knowledge about the seniority make up of the regional carriers. No one but Compass has 90% of their employees below three years of longevity. Comair has 8 year FO's who have not yet upgraded. ASA has people retiring with 25+ years of service. ASA & Comair's non union employees carried longevity over to Delta and now you could not tell them apart from any other Delta employee unless they told you. Many (if not most) have hire dates prior to 2001.

You ASSUME you know. The reality is that those who follow the course you think is best, interviewing and getting hired at Delta, lose their longevity and go behind everyone in DCI. As Delta hires (or worse, takes everyone but pilots as employee transfers from DCI) these pilots will remain at the bottom of the non-rev list.

You aren't the only one. Most do not understand the reality of DCI these days and the reality of the ~34% of block hours that mainline Delta provides. The irony of the situation is that many regional pilots look at the lousy scope and other craptastic policies like this and figure, "eh' why give up my 12 years of longevity and go to mainline?"

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Old 04-22-2009, 03:13 PM
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You guys are aware that it's not just the Comair pilots. All employees from all five of Delta-South's subsidiaries are DOH for nonrev bennies. So you as a pilot can be bumped by an IT guy from Delta Technology or a DGS mechanic. We'll have to wait and see how the new policy looks when they roll it out for all to see in the next few weeks. I'm interested to see how it goes.
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That's why we need a real "call in honest" policy; not a sched determination.
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I would love to adopt your NWA policy. That would be awesome. I think people getting to work should have that benefit.
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When trips are cancelled due to pilots calling in sick because they cannot get to work they may rethink the call-in-honest policy. At DAL-n they adopted the policy to ensure operational reliability not just because the pilots wanted it.
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Old 04-23-2009, 04:40 AM
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That may hold true when 90% of us our commuting each week.
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You guys got your wish on mainline metal; DL before DCI W/O. But you guys get kicked down a notch on W/O DCI metal.
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Really? Where's the announcement?
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Delta has announced the integrated pass travel policy that will govern nonrevenue and reduced-rate travel for all employees starting in June. The new policy represents some blending of Delta and Northwest policies, the Corporate Leadership Team told employees in a memo Thursday.

“For many of us, pass travel was what attracted us to this industry and this airline,” the memo says. “With the launch of our integrated pass policy this summer, employees will benefit from one of the most generous nonrevenue pass travel programs in the industry, with the largest, most comprehensive network of routes in the world.”

After this summer’s launch on June 23, the paper ticket processes associated with the Fly Together program will stop, and travel on both Delta and Northwest flights will follow the same policies. A redesigned TravelNet site, the system Delta employees use for leisure and company business travel on DeltaNet, will be the single site for travel on all flights.

Elements of the integrated program include an expanded Fly Confirmed discount program with a 20% reduction on confirmed tickets for leisure travel that replaces the Delta Family Fares program. The current 18-day travel limit for transoceanic travel will be removed, allowing unlimited free travel anywhere Delta flies. Pass travel for Ready Reserve employees will be expanded to offer unlimited free S3 priority travel.

Several changes will be introduced to the buddy pass program. Employees hired on or after April 23, 2009, will have to complete one year of service before receiving buddy passes. All new international stations will be embargoed to buddy pass travel for one year to allow the new station to focus on full-fare customers.

Buddy pass fares will increase for the first time since the program started 13 years ago, but the fuel surcharge will be eliminated. Depending on the market, U.S. travel fares will increase between 10% and 35%. Transoceanic fares will increase as much as 13%. With these changes, Delta’s average buddy pass fares will remain lower
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