Pass Benefits at DAL
04-21-2009, 12:39 PM
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There has been no change in Delta policy. The wholly owned airlines have always had the same pass policy. The Delta N wholly owned companies will now fall under this policy. ASA is no longer owned by Delta and they ride on S3C passes. In the end this policy benefits Delta employees far more then the employees at the connection carriers since their turnover is a order of magnitude greater then the turnover at the mainline.
04-21-2009, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Funny thing is the rumor on that side of the fence is that OH will be brought down to their level.
Well I couldn't take it any more so I made some calls. My rep talked with a CP in length. In the end of the long conversation with him and getting some verification we will just say that what you just said seems to be the case. Thank god and I hope I don't have to eat crow!
04-21-2009, 03:16 PM
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This is a great deal for all mainline pilots (not really). In 2 years commuting from San Diego to SLC (mostly mainline) but occasionally on Sky West and even ASA, I sat in the cabin of DCI a grand total of two times! It was about 70% on the jumpseat and about 30% denied the jumpseat. When I say denied the jumpseat it was not by SKy West pilots - the Pilots were always great, it was due mainly to gate agents that did not care or were too busy to get a mainline pilot on. So first of all - we probably will not be seeing many empty seats on DCI, and if we do get an empty seat- good luck getting a gate agent to fill it with your butt.
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04-21-2009, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am telling you that, they may change it to benefit us, but it will be a battle royal. DCI's answer was to make everyone travel on DOH. That did not fly either. What we see now at DAL-S is the effects of a truce.
I agree that we should get priority on all flights, but I am also realistic in knowing that DAL will not "buck" DCI.)
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I could be wrong, but if you watch their feet, and past actions, I hold no hope.
The benefit of Non-reving is in our contract, how it is are prioritized and managed by the company is not. (I was just playing Devil's advocate, and Bar and I had a long phone call about it. There is no want in god's green earth that DALPA is going to expend any energy on travel benefits that effect the junior folks, sadly we both agree with that)
The benefit of Non-reving is in our contract, how it is are prioritized and managed by the company is not. (I was just playing Devil's advocate, and Bar and I had a long phone call about it. There is no want in god's green earth that DALPA is going to expend any energy on travel benefits that effect the junior folks, sadly we both agree with that)
Pathetic.
Don't worry, though, it's the pilots you take the shots at that are "fixing" the problems that you're complaining about. Were you part of the ASA group that threatened no non-reving after the Delta purchase?
Glad they've almost all turned over....
04-21-2009, 04:48 PM
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You are telling me that DALPA will use its negotiating power to fix this?
That is great, but every time I have talked to people about it, I have gotten a wall.
As for being at ASA. I had nothing to do with it.
That is great, but every time I have talked to people about it, I have gotten a wall.
As for being at ASA. I had nothing to do with it.
04-21-2009, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
You are wrong on all counts. Again, a sad cheap shot at DALPA and your fellow pilots, while it's the management you serve making the decisions that you rail about.
Pathetic.
Don't worry, though, it's the pilots you take the shots at that are "fixing" the problems that you're complaining about. Were you part of the ASA group that threatened no non-reving after the Delta purchase?Glad they've almost all turned over....
Pathetic.
Don't worry, though, it's the pilots you take the shots at that are "fixing" the problems that you're complaining about. Were you part of the ASA group that threatened no non-reving after the Delta purchase?
Glad they've almost all turned over....It is a management decision to give passes to employee groups as they see fit. Unless we have it spelled out dot for dot and dash for dash in the PWA it is up for interpretation.
Now if it was in the PWA when they wanted to change DCI's boarding priority a few years ago, there would have been nothing that management or DCI could have done. Fact is that they were able to for that very reason.
I am not taking pot shots at DALPA. It is fact.
Are you willing to fight for this change in C2012?
04-21-2009, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
how the passes were allotted, it is contractual that we have them.
04-21-2009, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You are telling me that DALPA will use its negotiating power to fix this?
That is great, but every time I have talked to people about it, I have gotten a wall.
That is great, but every time I have talked to people about it, I have gotten a wall.
The drums I'm hearing say you'll approve of the new policy.
As to your later post, reread what you wrote. You took a clear, direct shot at your co-workers. And what you stated isn't fact. It's wrong.
04-21-2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Funny thing is the rumor on that side of the fence is that OH will be brought down to their level.
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