You don't get it. I'm not mad, because we got exactly what we were asking for... priority on our own metal. There's really nothing to be mad about. Unless you're a mainline pilot getting bumped by an ASA newhire on an ASA flight.

 

John,

How much of the flying that ASA does is first generation flying pioneered by ASA?

You indicate that you did not want to be bought by DL. What would the career prognosis be at ASA without the DL code attached to its flying? Since flying at the regionals is easily replaced by the next lowest bidder it would stand to reason that had not ASA accepted the DL code they would have gone the way of the dodo bird.

Like it or not DL owns every seat on the ASA airplane. Why shouldn't they be allowed to do with those seats as they wish? If I hire a limo to take me from my house to the airport should I expect to be bumped out of my ride to work for the driver to take his kids to school?

When ASA/ Skywest and others start selling tickets on their own flights then I would think you would have some say over how the seats are managed. And when you start that service don't forget to remember ACA/Flyi and Express jet branded service.

L

 

This is more of the typical mainline superiority complex. I have no response except we got what we wanted. Nothing else to debate. If you think you can get DOH priority on ASA flights, without reciprocating, go for it. There's a reason you don't have it, the reasons I discussed earlier.

 

Refusing to do everything possible to get a jumpseater on the aircraft is in fact a jumpseat war.

 

DAL doesn't have it YET. You seem to believe that ASA and Skyw will not fall under this at some point in the future. When is the next round of bids for codeshare agreements coming due? Wonder when DL will send ASA away in the future cutbacks in RJ flying? You may well wind up with priority on ASA flights. Just that ASA will have no flights to operate.

It is not a superiority complex but a realization that be it not for the DL code many of the RJ operators would not exist. This is true for all of the feeder operators for all of the mainline carriers. 50 seat RJ's have proven to be extremely unprofitable and perhaps the mainline carriers are now realizing the cost associated with these operators is not going to produce profits. Reducing and eliminating the express partners will hopefully put more mainline workers back on the job, reduce airport congestion and ATC delays, fuel consumption and getting all the employees on the same page. Having hired help with no ties to the brand produces spotty if not shotty service. ASA has held some high honors among poor service and reliability in the past and if DL can replace that flying to its benefit then I think they will.

Perhaps ASA should start its own service and see what it is like to operate an entire airline. Versus just putting airplanes and crews in a position for DL to fill them, which at times seems almost impossible.

L

 

You could have just said "blah, blah, blah, threat, threat, I'm better than you, then beat your chest".

You guys are unbelievable. You act as if line pilots have ANY say in management decisions. You don't. So why not just shut up and fly the planes?

We don't care what a lowly Delta pilot who has absolutely no control over his destiny (much less mine) cares about our operation. Rant all you want. ASA isn't going anywhere and neither is our priority on ASA planes.

 

You are a blowhard, nothing more nothing less. Blah, blah, blah. You got called to the carpet over where you commute from a while back, and slithered away back under your rock. Now you're back for this gem. ASA is not immune, and the agreement will be done over at ASA as well as skywest. DOH on asa/skywest metal, and s3c on Delta. It's coming, bank on it.

 

I got called on nothing. I live in ATL and don't commute! I do go to Michigan a lot to visit family. Your bring this up (again) is nothing but a red herring that distracts from the original debate topic.

So let's see, you made a personal attack, threw out a red herring, then reiterated what someone else said, with no documentation to back it up. In essence you offered your opinion. Looks like JP 3-0 on you.

As I said, our pass priority on ASA is NOT changing. SkyWest management has a contract with DAL over it. We got it because we fought for it. It isn't going anywhere, regardless of your opinions.

Now like I said, just drive the bus and leave the hard decisions to the guys on the 4th floor.

 

John,
Read the DCi agreement that SKW signed on behalf of ASA. Lots of good stuff is in there. A lot is blanked out too. Fact remains that DAL owns the rights to each and every seat. It is clearly spelled out. This is not a pilot issue, this is a management issue. We as pilots did not sign the contract. There is no reason to start this type of crap between fellow pilot groups.

As you said this is a 4th floor decision, not an ops decision, but a upper echelon management decision.

 

Ok, do you think they decided to let us keep priority on our flights through the kindness of their hearts? Or because SkyWest management went to DAL management and told them we were ready to burn the place down?