shiznit

This is truly where ALPA F-ed up. The different pay rate model was very helpful when the transition was from props to the jet age, but once the transition was complete they should have reverted to the "pay by SO, FO, CA only" method (like UPS, SWA, AT). If that had been the case in the late 80's, you would NEVER have seen ALPA give away RJ's to commuters in the 90's, because an RJ CA seat would have paid the same as a 747 CA seat (except for an int'l override), and what pilot group in their right mind would have let that escape????

We fail to recognize (in our compensation models) that pilot duties are almost the same from the small to the large, yes there are subtle differences, but as PROFESSIONALS we are(or should be) competent enough to handle any aircraft we control.
If we truly want to make pilot costs a "Fixed Cost" we need to put some real thought into how we allocate compensation.

But that is water under the bridge now.....reversing that would be next to impossible, guys on the WB's would complain "ITS NOT FAIR" when they only got a small raise and all the NB guys had bigger payraises to equalize the pay tables. Even though it would benefit EVERYBODY in the long run, we as pilots a very ME, ME, ME group.

Fishfreighter

No one is a scab unless they cross a picket line or fly struck work. Since neither of those criteria are met in this case, the term is inappropriate.

mking84

I like hand gernades!!!! It keeps things exciting. I think he has a VERY VALID point. Do you honestly think mainline carriers such as oh I dont know DAL, CAL, AMR, UAL, will sit around and pay pilots more to fly a 737 or instead, keeping UAL in mind, go in to BK, sell to anybody willing to pay for their flying (aka rah), and then stick a mighty e triple 70 or e190 (nicknames to come....797 sounds impressive) with pilots on it at half the pay. We know the only way to make this aircraft financially viable is to operate it at the lowest operating costs possible, ie rah pilots "negotiated" pay rates.

Anybody who does not see this for what it is needs to go play in traffic. This is a continuation of the beatdown, and I dont see us getting out of this one. Unless God beats satan and shuts down rah.....

Im not huge on ALPA but this is an excellent case for a national seniority list.

mking84

1. Im thinking the definition is changing daily. I think you could make the case that RAH pilots are dangerously close to the definition. There are alot of happy rah pilots prancing around with smiles on their faces over this. Do you honestly think the Riddle Diddles that got to the cockpit at 500/50 arent dying to take your seat at the major.....???? You bet they are, and we all know people who have taken shortcuts in life before will do anything to take them again.

BoilerUP

No, its not.

No, you couldn't.

You know that as fact, or are you making an assumption?

While I've no doubt there are some pilots there happy about this news, they would be in the 1% of jackasses that every airline has.

Not a single one of my friends at RAH (and I've got literally dozens of friends who work there) is "excited" about either the MEH or F9 acquisition.

The righteous indignation of regional airline pilots against other regional airline pilots in this thread (and others) would be hilarious if it weren't so damn pathetic...

awrdmxsked

That's a good point. But when it really comes down to it, pilots really shouldn't ask for too much money because then it will hurt the companies ability to get more flying. And more flying is more money.

Blueridger

Wow. That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've heard, especially on a pilot forum..........
You should work for management with that bean counter mentality and total lack of self-respect.

Why not fly for free then for a while? That would almost guarantee a whole bunch more flying in this environment! Show us the way.

ToiletDuck

At full loads a 737 is still an arm and a leg more efficient than the ejets. More than enough to cover any difference in crew costs. The reason companies like UAL are on the verge of BK isn't because of crew pay but more to do with horrible management, multiple fleet types, and a LOT of internal structure costs.

Mason32

More for who? Many an airline has bought another airline... when has the pilot pay improved as a direct result?

mking84

1. Yes it is.

2. Yes I could.

3. Fact. Don't see too many RAH pilots complaining about impending furloughs, no growth, etc.....You bet they are!

3. Mr. Pot said to Mr. Kettle.