Way to go Delta (Taxiway Landing)
10-20-2009, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Criticize the crew? Are you kidding me? They landed on a taxiway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that you think there is any way to justify this is comical. If this were a regional crew, they would have been ridiculed beyond belief and blasted by the media! You're funny.
10-20-2009, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
This is not good, for all pilots as it makes the profession look bad. I hope it never happens to me or anyone else in this profession. Thank God that noone was hurt.
With that being said, I find it disgusting how the regional guys can come into this thread, flamebaiting the legacy pilots ... just for the sake of getting back at us over perceived ill treatment of previous regional accidents which CLEARLY were the fault of the crews flying the aircraft. It wasn't like we, or anyone else, was wrongly putting blame on the crews. Am I defending this crew? No, I am not.
I'm being dead serious when I say this: if I were a passenger and was reading this thread, there would be no way I'd ever get on a passenger jet now -- especially a regional -- seeing how you guys end up behaving.
And you guys wonder why some of us legacy pilots have a lack of respect for some regional folks.
When will people learn .. it isn't us versus you, they versus we, etc.etc. We're all in this together and for those to make jokes about such accidents, your turn is next.
Good luck.
With that being said, I find it disgusting how the regional guys can come into this thread, flamebaiting the legacy pilots ... just for the sake of getting back at us over perceived ill treatment of previous regional accidents which CLEARLY were the fault of the crews flying the aircraft. It wasn't like we, or anyone else, was wrongly putting blame on the crews. Am I defending this crew? No, I am not.
I'm being dead serious when I say this: if I were a passenger and was reading this thread, there would be no way I'd ever get on a passenger jet now -- especially a regional -- seeing how you guys end up behaving.
And you guys wonder why some of us legacy pilots have a lack of respect for some regional folks.
When will people learn .. it isn't us versus you, they versus we, etc.etc. We're all in this together and for those to make jokes about such accidents, your turn is next.
Good luck.
As a former regional guy and current delta guy I don't understand why there is such a lack of respect for civilian pilots. I find that a lot at mother D. Your not alone, just ignorant of the civilian pilots and their backgrounds. Its just funny to be a minority here (civilian) and see the arrogance abound. The "My dad is bigger than your dad" attitude is widely spread here. If we can bash regionals than we should be able to take some bashing as mainline pilots. The only difference between us is we at mainline have a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of experienced pilots. Not better pilots. When we at mainline screw up, learn from the experience and expect some jokes at our expense.
10-20-2009, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RichieAshburn
The only thing that is comical is your rush to judgement.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
10-20-2009, 09:17 AM
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Damn... had the wrong contact lenses in the old peepers
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10-20-2009, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
Sorry Richie, need to raise the flag here in support of the RJ's.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
I nominate this as quote of the day....nice to see there are still some pilots out there, with a sense of what it is to deserve respect, it has nothing to do with how big your plane is.
10-20-2009, 09:24 AM
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IF after the facts come out, one of crews did this, AND there is not a satisfactory explanation, THEN we should eat our humble pie in silence. That's because none of us are shy about singling out such mistakes when they are made by another crew (at our airline or elsewhere).
There is a good reason for this: we should be intolerant of mistakes. We cannot, in this industry, be in the business of blindly defending dangerous mistakes, anymore than a sheep dog can afford to "tolerate" the occasional roaming wolf. There is reason pilot screw-ups at our airline hurt and embarass us: we are the people (poorly) paid to make sure such things don't occur.
So I suppose it's our turn to endure the gleeful comments of some in the JV, that feel obligated to dig in, unencumbered as they are by the lack of solid information.
There is a good reason for this: we should be intolerant of mistakes. We cannot, in this industry, be in the business of blindly defending dangerous mistakes, anymore than a sheep dog can afford to "tolerate" the occasional roaming wolf. There is reason pilot screw-ups at our airline hurt and embarass us: we are the people (poorly) paid to make sure such things don't occur.
So I suppose it's our turn to endure the gleeful comments of some in the JV, that feel obligated to dig in, unencumbered as they are by the lack of solid information.
10-20-2009, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cyrcadian
That's what happens when you forget to ask for a "wind check."
Let that be a lesson for all . . .
Let that be a lesson for all . . .
LOL, very funny
10-20-2009, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
Sorry Richie, need to raise the flag here in support of the RJ's.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
10-20-2009, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Sort of like acting like you had that greaser landing all the way because of your "skills" only makes it more likely you will slam the next one on? 
10-20-2009, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
These dangerous regional drivers..if only they had 1500 hired when they were hired AND a college degree...err...wait a minute.
Your argument also holds no water because the OVERALL experience at the Mainline level FAR exceeds the Regional level. Mistakes happen at all levels, & no Mainline pilot disagrees with it. However, statistics prove that the severity of mistakes at Regionals in the past 10-15 years have been greater than at the Mainline level. Why? Less experience at the Regional level.
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