Way to go Delta (Taxiway Landing)
10-20-2009, 09:44 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by captscott26
Give it up already! Now run along and play in your regional forum.
10-20-2009, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by contrail67
The best in the world???? Actually made me laugh.
10-20-2009, 10:05 AM
#63
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Don't want to think about the consequences if an aircraft was taxying across the taxiway in question, let alone taxying in the opposite direction either
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10-20-2009, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
Sorry Richie, need to raise the flag here in support of the RJ's.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
While KC's comments were a bit more moderate, no one has a claim here to be better simply because they fly for a legacy. Yes, they have had their screwups, so has DAL. Let's not forget the tragedy of the 1011 that flew through the thunderstorm at DFW and the 727 that took off without setting the T/O flaps. A hell of a lot of people died in those crashes over some really poor decisions. Or a fellow named Duffy who landed at the wrong airport in Kentucky as I recall.
I sat on a 727 jumpseat into ATL and watched 3 hotrods decide to coast into the gate on taxi speed alone after shutting down the engines. When they couldn't figure out why they had no brakes or steering, I had to tell the S/O he needed to put his APU online and open the Brake Interconnect. Thank God he had it up and running or it would have been really ugly.
ACL may be right...there may be a really good reason for the decision to use the taxiway. Maybe not. Time will tell.
But you and others are being much less than honest if you say that you would not be trashing the RJ drivers or anyone else.
Go back 60 years and read what Ernie Gann said about the legacies. What was true then is true today.
Arrogance and ego will bite you in the ass and kill you in this business. That's why the "great" pilots check it at the door.
You are at a legacy carrier because your resume happened to be in the right place on the right day. And just like any other pilot, you can be on the street looking in if your company screws up.
AMEN!!
Check it at the door. Leave the ego at home. No place for it in this business.
What happens in front of the flight deck door should be professional whether it's a Beech 1900 or a 747-400.
10-20-2009, 10:09 AM
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As somebody else has already stated; this was not mearly a case of landing on an adjacent taxiway.... it was an emergency. I'm sure when all is said and done there was a vaild reason the Captain exercised his/her command authority to deviate from regulations.
Somehow, I can not believe all the crap from people who think this was inadvertant. I fully expect when all is said and done this was intentional by the flight crew to meet the needs of the emergency. I can't imagine a flight crew dealing with an inflight emergency not being fully alert and running at the top of their game.... this regional v. mainline crap is a bunch of BS too.
Do mainline guys have more experience, yes. Why, in general mainline guys have been doing it longer. Does experience translate directly to safety, debatable but in general yes it does.... as supported through all the studies, including the Nall Reports. Does that mean mainlines are exempt from foulups; hell no... it just means they are expected to be less frequent.
as for this case, I'll reserve judgement until I hear more details...
Somehow, I can not believe all the crap from people who think this was inadvertant. I fully expect when all is said and done this was intentional by the flight crew to meet the needs of the emergency. I can't imagine a flight crew dealing with an inflight emergency not being fully alert and running at the top of their game.... this regional v. mainline crap is a bunch of BS too.
Do mainline guys have more experience, yes. Why, in general mainline guys have been doing it longer. Does experience translate directly to safety, debatable but in general yes it does.... as supported through all the studies, including the Nall Reports. Does that mean mainlines are exempt from foulups; hell no... it just means they are expected to be less frequent.
as for this case, I'll reserve judgement until I hear more details...
10-20-2009, 10:13 AM
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You are all FOOLS. They landed on that taxiway to get to the gate faster. See? Simple explanation.
And you call yourselves pilots. Sheeesh!!! ;
And you call yourselves pilots. Sheeesh!!! ;
10-20-2009, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Packer Backer
They guy had a medical emergency onboard. Maybe the aircraft in front of him was an RJ that rolled to the end of 27R. Instead of making a go around, maybe he thought the taxiway was a better alternative than having some guy die in the back.
10-20-2009, 11:09 AM
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Let me get on my high horse, would I land on a taxiway? HELL YEAH! If I had a reason to, I'd love to try it. Anyone else notice taxiway M is 70' wide? Wow. That requires some skills.
Now, would I land on the taxiway by accident? Possibly but I'll try not too. I try not to do a lot of things at work and I'll add this to the list.
Now, as a former regional pilot I really cannot stand to have regional pilots ridiculed by non regional pilots and I can understand a regoinal pilots frustration with being labeled by the Comair and Colgan crashes and that is absolutely crap. Regional pilots work hard, get treated like crap, fight for a pay raise and get whipsawed. It sucks.And just like regional pilots get irritated so do Delta pilots when they're lumped in with someone who landed at the wrong airport or did a double engine shutdown. AMR probably doesn't want LIT brought up, SWA probably doesn't like to have their multiple parking jobs outside of the airport fence brought up and so on.
So while we wait for the facts remember every airline has had and WILL have incidents, regoinal and mainline and as an airline pilot do unto other airline pilots as you'd want other airline pilots to do unto you.
Now, would I land on the taxiway by accident? Possibly but I'll try not too. I try not to do a lot of things at work and I'll add this to the list.
Now, as a former regional pilot I really cannot stand to have regional pilots ridiculed by non regional pilots and I can understand a regoinal pilots frustration with being labeled by the Comair and Colgan crashes and that is absolutely crap. Regional pilots work hard, get treated like crap, fight for a pay raise and get whipsawed. It sucks.And just like regional pilots get irritated so do Delta pilots when they're lumped in with someone who landed at the wrong airport or did a double engine shutdown. AMR probably doesn't want LIT brought up, SWA probably doesn't like to have their multiple parking jobs outside of the airport fence brought up and so on.
So while we wait for the facts remember every airline has had and WILL have incidents, regoinal and mainline and as an airline pilot do unto other airline pilots as you'd want other airline pilots to do unto you.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 10-20-2009 at 04:22 PM.
10-20-2009, 11:24 AM
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Perhaps it's because I'm med down with some virus and restricted to my quarters that I'm taking the time to address (or stoop low enough to address) some of the regional driver comments:
Certainly, part of the 1500 hour and ATP requirement is about providing a greater chance for maturity. Notice I said that it provides a greater chance that the pilot will be mature, but does not guarantee it. Maturity, that is, as an aviator. One example, is the maturity to understand that you don't comment about the details of an accident/incident until the details are known. And, even then, you address the errors in airmanship vice attacking the person/people involved.
I can't speak for all of us - but by and large, most of the RJ driver comments on this matter have only re-enforced my belief in the need for more years in the cockpit before flying around my friends and family.
Certainly, part of the 1500 hour and ATP requirement is about providing a greater chance for maturity. Notice I said that it provides a greater chance that the pilot will be mature, but does not guarantee it. Maturity, that is, as an aviator. One example, is the maturity to understand that you don't comment about the details of an accident/incident until the details are known. And, even then, you address the errors in airmanship vice attacking the person/people involved.
I can't speak for all of us - but by and large, most of the RJ driver comments on this matter have only re-enforced my belief in the need for more years in the cockpit before flying around my friends and family.
Last edited by Silver2Gold; 10-20-2009 at 11:38 AM.
10-20-2009, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
As a former regional guy and current delta guy I don't understand why there is such a lack of respect for civilian pilots. I find that a lot at mother D. Your not alone, just ignorant of the civilian pilots and their backgrounds. Its just funny to be a minority here (civilian) and see the arrogance abound. The "My dad is bigger than your dad" attitude is widely spread here. If we can bash regionals than we should be able to take some bashing as mainline pilots. The only difference between us is we at mainline have a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of experienced pilots. Not better pilots. When we at mainline screw up, learn from the experience and expect some jokes at our expense.
I'm sure there are a few out there who look upon us former "commuter" guys with disdain, but I would say they are the vast minority, so much so that I still have to run into one.
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