SWA Poolies
#11
I know this has little to do with the thread, but personally, I really like working at Delta. And it's just not me - I hear almost very little complaining from the guys I fly with. Sure, there are your malcontents, but at an airline with over 12,000 pilots there will be.
Every time I go to work, I go with a smile on my face.
Every time I go to work, I go with a smile on my face.
#12
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Continental guys like it too, good management, new fleet, etc. Yes, the legacies are more sensitive to this recession, but some are still good. I hear Delta is getting ready to kick butt, in NY and elsewhere, with some hiring too. Anyway, Southwest is great too though...
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I know this has little to do with the thread, but personally, I really like working at Delta. And it's just not me - I hear almost very little complaining from the guys I fly with. Sure, there are your malcontents, but at an airline with over 12,000 pilots there will be.
Every time I go to work, I go with a smile on my face.
Every time I go to work, I go with a smile on my face.
)Any pilot, including myself, who is still flying at the regional level would be very fortunate to get an employment offer from either of these two companies. You are right, malcontents exist everywhere.
Even at Southwest.
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From: 737, Gulfstream G-IV, Gulfstream G200, King Air 350,
+1
For other posters on this thread, ANY pilot who thinks the current culture at SWA is not for them, they absolutely should try to work for somebody else.
Just ask a United pilot about how happy they are with their culture. Just ask an AA pilot about their culture. Just ask a Continental pilot about their culture. Just ask a Delta/NWA pilot about their culture. Just ask a Frontier pilot about their culture. Just ask a Lynx pilot about the RAH culture. I don't look to anybody else to make my life and my families life the best I can make it. I don't ask the government and I don't ask my employer.
I would rather clean out sceptic tanks than fly corporate. I don't want to substantially shorten my life expectancy by flying boxes around the world in the middle of the night babysitting an autopilot. I am not rich enough nor musically talented enough to afford my own B757 with my rock bands logo painted on the tail that I fly around the world to my next gig. (NOT a jab at Iron Maiden, they are great stuff, I grew up with them) I am NOT passing judgement on anybody for what career choices they make. They are their choices.
(Just added that last disclaimer, lest the flame throwing begin)
For me, I will gladly keep treading water in the SWA pool.
For other posters on this thread, ANY pilot who thinks the current culture at SWA is not for them, they absolutely should try to work for somebody else.
Just ask a United pilot about how happy they are with their culture. Just ask an AA pilot about their culture. Just ask a Continental pilot about their culture. Just ask a Delta/NWA pilot about their culture. Just ask a Frontier pilot about their culture. Just ask a Lynx pilot about the RAH culture. I don't look to anybody else to make my life and my families life the best I can make it. I don't ask the government and I don't ask my employer.
I would rather clean out sceptic tanks than fly corporate. I don't want to substantially shorten my life expectancy by flying boxes around the world in the middle of the night babysitting an autopilot. I am not rich enough nor musically talented enough to afford my own B757 with my rock bands logo painted on the tail that I fly around the world to my next gig. (NOT a jab at Iron Maiden, they are great stuff, I grew up with them) I am NOT passing judgement on anybody for what career choices they make. They are their choices.
(Just added that last disclaimer, lest the flame throwing begin)
For me, I will gladly keep treading water in the SWA pool.
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If it works for you, great. This world needs all kinds of pilots.
#16
Uhhh, you might want to check with your CAL buddies. The ones I know are not too happy.
Inferior contract (when put next to the other majors/legacies/SWA), guys on furlough, guys flying 90+ hours with guys on furlough, and the company made money last quarter. No money being passed on to the pilot group, and no recalls.
Inferior contract (when put next to the other majors/legacies/SWA), guys on furlough, guys flying 90+ hours with guys on furlough, and the company made money last quarter. No money being passed on to the pilot group, and no recalls.
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Uhhh, you might want to check with your CAL buddies. The ones I know are not too happy.
Inferior contract (when put next to the other majors/legacies/SWA), guys on furlough, guys flying 90+ hours with guys on furlough, and the company made money last quarter. No money being passed on to the pilot group, and no recalls.
Inferior contract (when put next to the other majors/legacies/SWA), guys on furlough, guys flying 90+ hours with guys on furlough, and the company made money last quarter. No money being passed on to the pilot group, and no recalls.
But CAL was the first legacy to recall after 9-11, and they historically have gone gangbusters with expansion after that. For a legacy, it ain't bad. And like u said, the company made money last quarter. That's a good sign. Plus, Newark rules!!
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From: 737, Gulfstream G-IV, Gulfstream G200, King Air 350,
Just to keep a frame of reference, I typed at HPA in Aug. 08, and hope to someday get and interview and be where you are.
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From: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
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It's not the "To each his own" statement, it's the arrogance of relating the sewer guys job as somehow better than flying for a corporation. I can't imagine, that the left seat of an RJ is somehow better than the left seat of a Gulfstream, 450/550 or Global Express type Part 91 operation. Certainly not in the pay and benefits department. But, I don't fly for either, so I'll not pontificate. I hope SWA drains the pool, and your hired soon, so you don't need to ever act on the septic statement. Yes, I know I'm being a bit sarcastic, so I'm sorry, but you must admit, the spirited discussion has been fun
Just to keep a frame of reference, I typed at HPA in Aug. 08, and hope to someday get and interview and be where you are.
Just to keep a frame of reference, I typed at HPA in Aug. 08, and hope to someday get and interview and be where you are.
It is just not something I want to do. Ha ha! And if the SWA thing does not work out, no, I will not be applying at the local Acme AAA Sceptic Services, Inc.I truly wish you the best with SWA and your interview. Not that you asked, but here are my two cents - it is really a very straight forward couple of hours. No tricks, no underlying agenda. Just be yourself. Only give honest, truthful answers. The only "wrong" answer is the one guys/gals make up. The SWA Flight Ops Recruiting team is really, really good at what they do - specifically, that is finding pilots with personalities that will contribute to and enhance their CULTURE. You've already demonstrated you can fly a B737 - you have your type. They want more, much more. And they can smell a lie or an exaggeration a mile away.
Another interesting note. I don't have even 1 hour of corporate flying in my logbook and they knew that. Of the handful of questions they did ask me and of the millions of possible questions they could have asked - they did specifically ask me in my interview if I was ever interested in flying corporate.
I gave them the one and only "right" answer . . . . . . . . . a truthful one, solely based on who I am as a pilot. Whether this helped me or hurt me in the interview - I have no idea.
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