Don't worry, we won't. I can only hope that when you make a mistake, and you will, you are given the boot.

 

the media shouldnt be able to cover things that fly and eventually hit the ground...

 

No one has mentioned this but; did we just get screwed with the ongoing campaign to have video surveillance in airline cockpits? None of us want it, but it has crept into other forms of public transportation. SIDE RANT: If we're considered a 'public service' (cops, fire...TSA!!!) shouldn't we get the bennies of say; loan forgiveness/pension??

 

I did a few trips with the FO when we both flew 727s for a charter airline back in the early '90s. Sad to see this happen to him-- he was very professional, fun to hang out with, and a good stick with tons of experience.

 

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I am terribly sorry if this has already been discussed but I read the FAA pulled the CVR to review and use to determine what happened on the flight and to determine what action up to and including certificate action they will take on this crew. While I feel the crew had poor judgement on this flight I also believe the FAA needs to play by the rules. FAR 135.359(H) states;
h) In the event of an accident or occurrence requiring immediate notification of the National Transportation Safety Board under Part 830 of its regulations, which results in the termination of the flight, the certificate holder shall keep the recorded information for at least 60 days or, if requested by the Administrator or the Board, for a longer period. Information obtained from the record is used to assist in determining the cause of accidents or occurrences in connection with investigations under Part 830. The Administrator does not use the record in any civil penalty or certificate action.
Am I just tired or isn’t illegal to use the CVR data for certificate action, just because they wrote the law does not mean they don’t have to abide by them.

 

I completely agree with you, it's hard to imagine a chain of events that would cause an experienced crew to overfly their destination. It could be a career ending mistake, or there could be more to it. We've been in aviation long enough to know how investigations are conducted. Unfortunately they don't occur at internet speed which allows us to get bored and speculate.

All I'm asking in this thread is that working pilots to give a line crew the courtesy of withholding judgment in public until we know more. Search the FedEx 80 thread or the Colgan 3407 thread, this is nothing new for me. Cheers!

 

Of course it does. Never trust anything. 121.359. My theory is that since it doesn't say "shall not", they shall.

 

Pilots should also remember that when they post their speculations on a public forum they have just become part of the media, and may be quoted elsewhere.

 

+1

If I was the FO and the reporter came to my house, I would never had answered my door and/or told him to get the F off my property. Or he would meet the end of a Remington 12 gauge.

Oh, oops, that's the Police Officer in me talking.