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10-26-2009 | 04:39 AM
#51
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From: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
I saw another interview with the FO. He tried to do the right thing and tell the reporter that he had no comment; though in the end he ended up basically making a statment. If they (he) doesn't want to be judged by public opinion - then don't speak to the media!
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The only thought that ran through my mind, NO COMMENT, means NO COMMENT. Shut the door!! Don't keep running your mouth to a CNN reporter with a camera rolling while standing on your front door step.
Nothing good comes of that when there's an "open investigation" that has your career (as well as your co-workers) in the balance.
Period.
10-26-2009 | 05:33 AM
#52
A moment please...
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They could get terminated, but they would probably get reinstated. Remember, USAir just reinstated the pilot that discharged his weapon in the cockpit while disregarding SOP's, so if a pilot can be forgiven for that, it seems that a pilot can be forgiven for just about anything these days.
10-26-2009 | 06:20 AM
#53
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
They could get terminated, but they would probably get reinstated. Remember, USAir just reinstated the pilot that discharged his weapon in the cockpit while disregarding SOP's, so if a pilot can be forgiven for that, it seems that a pilot can be forgiven for just about anything these days.
Anything is possible. It depends if it comes down to if ALPA attorneys want engage in such a battle, and if all parties concerned can jump over the FAA's hurdle.
10-26-2009 | 07:49 AM
#54
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captjns,
It is obvious from most posters who they work for. How about letting us know where you work? US carrier, foreign, expat working for a foreign? It would make it more fun so we can scrutinize/criticize like you.
It is obvious from most posters who they work for. How about letting us know where you work? US carrier, foreign, expat working for a foreign? It would make it more fun so we can scrutinize/criticize like you.
10-26-2009 | 07:53 AM
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I haven't kept up with every nuance of this event so forgive me if this has already been posed, but; is it possible that they crew did re-enter the world (not trying to be funny, just don't want to say anything speculative about their lack of contact) before reaching the destination, but ACT held them up and on heading because law enforcement was still concerned about terrorism?
If so, the story about a distracting conversation becomes much more believable. In my scenario, they were out of radio contact for some length of time (probably less than thirty minutes) which led to law enforcement becoming concerned about terrorism. The overfly and remainder of the flight we all see on flight trac was dictated by law enforcements concerns of another 9/11. All of which is reasonable.
If so, the story about a distracting conversation becomes much more believable. In my scenario, they were out of radio contact for some length of time (probably less than thirty minutes) which led to law enforcement becoming concerned about terrorism. The overfly and remainder of the flight we all see on flight trac was dictated by law enforcements concerns of another 9/11. All of which is reasonable.
10-26-2009 | 08:42 AM
#56
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No, I don't believe that's probable based on the actual facts (and not speculation). 78 minutes of no ATC communication. They flew straight and level until another flight crew was able to raise them on the frequency that they were last known to be on (in Denver Center airspace).
Then, ATC vectored them around a bit to see if the crew could follow directions.
10-26-2009 | 10:04 AM
#57
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This has been my question all along.... Is it facts from the media or facts from the NTSB we are disputing? Seriously, if the time frame comes from the media then we are arguing about something that probably isn't accurate. If the didn't realize the radios hadn't been switched over do to heated conversation until they hit MSP then it's logical that they would be forced to continue on do to security reasons.
My problem with this whole story is that the pieces just don't add up, and frankly, when did we all start believing in the media for accuracy?
My problem with this whole story is that the pieces just don't add up, and frankly, when did we all start believing in the media for accuracy?
10-26-2009 | 10:20 AM
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Wall Street Journal now reporting that pilots were using laptops. Probably posting on these very message boards. Either way, to not update your psoition and lose all Sit Awareness in over an hour is really inexcusable. Makes us ALL look bad. I had to smile politely at more than one pax this weekend when they cracked a "thanks for staying awake" joke as the disembarked.
10-26-2009 | 10:24 AM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
The company you or I fly for is not the issue. But, I'm sure you will agree NERD, that, like me, you maintain a high standard of performance and are a professional airman that takes great pride in following your company's SOPs and you maintain your situational awareness that provides safe conduct of passage for your fellow crewmembers and passengers from point A to point B. With that being said be safe out there.
10-26-2009 | 10:41 AM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Oh I got one the other day. Some Bozo queeried me... "You don't plan on overflying our destination today??? Never saw an F-16 up close before." Argghhhh!!!!!
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