The Truth About the Profession
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Most "aviation degrees" are labeled something like aeronautical science, aeronautical technology, or aviation with the same science/technology moniker affixed to them. Sure sounds fancy. And although one may learn a lot, it's not really all that marketable. Sure, I know plenty of people with those degrees doing all sort of other jobs not related to the degree. But what I'm saying in this;
An ACTUAL engineering degree, regardless of discipline, is much more marketable than a standard "aviation degree"
#22
My father beat all this in me when I was 17.( Lucky for me he was an aviation businessman and Regional Air pioneer in the 60's and 70's) Now at 50 with 24 yrs seniority at the same Major I sit next to dream chasers whose $$$ College Professors failed to detail the realities of the business.... But gladly took the daddy's money.
My total college loan. was 7500.00
A/P, 4 yr degree Tennessee, work work work...7 yr college plan. work work work. Turn wrenches, drive 200.00 cars, work work work. No pot to pee in, work work work...
Lucky break at age 27. FE job on a DC10 with toes in the sand HNL base
Work work work and more work...DC10 Fe, 727fe, 727fo, 727fo, 756fo, 737ca still working but back to stagnation again
Oh forgot...now Im supposed to work less and take less pay to keep jaded pilot on the property with 2 yrs seniority. NOT
Im quite proud of my path. Hand built custom not like a store bought Harley.
You need to get this out to the prospects so I dont have to sit next to some 28 yr old sucking the wind out of my cockpit as his reality sets in.
Regards,
Still driving 200.00 cars, wait it was 500.00
Happily married
three kids
house I built with own hands
Worked on Christmas
Work most weekends
NOT a Scab...
My total college loan. was 7500.00
A/P, 4 yr degree Tennessee, work work work...7 yr college plan. work work work. Turn wrenches, drive 200.00 cars, work work work. No pot to pee in, work work work...
Lucky break at age 27. FE job on a DC10 with toes in the sand HNL base
Work work work and more work...DC10 Fe, 727fe, 727fo, 727fo, 756fo, 737ca still working but back to stagnation again
Oh forgot...now Im supposed to work less and take less pay to keep jaded pilot on the property with 2 yrs seniority. NOT
Im quite proud of my path. Hand built custom not like a store bought Harley.
You need to get this out to the prospects so I dont have to sit next to some 28 yr old sucking the wind out of my cockpit as his reality sets in.
Regards,
Still driving 200.00 cars, wait it was 500.00

Happily married
three kids
house I built with own hands
Worked on Christmas
Work most weekends
NOT a Scab...
#23
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Great site, well thought out articles. Good Job!
Just one pesky suggestion:
Someone searching for info about entering the piloting field will not search for "The Profession", but for "Becoming an Airline Pilot". If you want exposure and search rankings, you will have to use a proper noun in your subject. There are many professions, from the oldest one to ours!
Cheers, and thanks for making your research available.
Just one pesky suggestion:
Someone searching for info about entering the piloting field will not search for "The Profession", but for "Becoming an Airline Pilot". If you want exposure and search rankings, you will have to use a proper noun in your subject. There are many professions, from the oldest one to ours!
Cheers, and thanks for making your research available.
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Good site. Does no one buy a clapped out Cessna and do flight training on the cheap anymore? No one joins the Civil Air Patrol to fly their C182s and get into the military flying clubs for really cheap initial training?
There are still ways to get most of your training done economically, but students seem to LIKE going in debt and placing their faith in some high dollar flight simulator / Cirrus school.
Also I believed the "pilot shortage" may actually arrive in 2014. It was delayed by September 11th, then age 65, but by golly unless my airline really shrinks we will have to hire close to a 1,000 a year to keep up.
There are still ways to get most of your training done economically, but students seem to LIKE going in debt and placing their faith in some high dollar flight simulator / Cirrus school.
Also I believed the "pilot shortage" may actually arrive in 2014. It was delayed by September 11th, then age 65, but by golly unless my airline really shrinks we will have to hire close to a 1,000 a year to keep up.
#26
I think that this is a valuable resource for those thinking about "the journey" to a cockpit seat. I actually wish I had something similar to read when I was a young pup.
Thanks for a well researched and written source of information.
G'Day and Happy New Year Mates
#27
I second this idea. As someone who has spent 30+ years "in the business", I would certainly add an endorsement to your website.
Great stuff !
G'Day Mate
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It is a good site, certainly informative for any aspiring professional pilot. I would disagree with some of the absolute statements included though. Instead of steering someone away from an aviation degree it might be better to discuss that it is a hotly debated topic. You're making one person's opinion ( yours ) an absolute. I happen to disagree to a large extent, as do others.
Typhoonpilot
Typhoonpilot
An aeronautical engineer degree is an engineering degree, and that is one of the example degrees I mention that is a "good" degree to get IMHO. In fact, I know a guy personally who was furloughed and because he had an aeronautical engineering degree he ended up getting a better paying job at Boeing during his long furlough.
Great site, well thought out articles. Good Job!
Just one pesky suggestion:
Someone searching for info about entering the piloting field will not search for "The Profession", but for "Becoming an Airline Pilot". If you want exposure and search rankings, you will have to use a proper noun in your subject. There are many professions, from the oldest one to ours!
Cheers, and thanks for making your research available.
Just one pesky suggestion:
Someone searching for info about entering the piloting field will not search for "The Profession", but for "Becoming an Airline Pilot". If you want exposure and search rankings, you will have to use a proper noun in your subject. There are many professions, from the oldest one to ours!
Cheers, and thanks for making your research available.
I hope that the "advice from others" section will do that somewhat. I also put on the home page of the site that the reader of the site should read what I write, but also use other sources of information as well to verify what I write as accurate. At some point, I'm going to put links to popular, active aviation forums like this one, because I know that if a young pilot or career changer comes HERE for advice, he will likely receive good information.
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This is information that ALPA, APA, SWAPA, Teamsters, etc. should be pushing out loud and clear. Our contracts are currently grossly affected by the large of supply of new pilots who are doing anything they can to chase the dream that doesn't exist--because there are so many chasing it. It's been a spiral down that will hopefully stop.
The pilot shortage of 2009/2014 is something the pilot mills (thing puppy mills) and job jocks have been pumping to line there own pockets. The only thing that the retirements will help is to get the industry back to a respectable position--if the industry doesn't pump out 2 more pilots for each of the pilots who retire.
The parasites will do their best to profit again by over selling the dream. It's too much like the TV commercials touting $1,000 a week or more working from you own home.
The pilot shortage of 2009/2014 is something the pilot mills (thing puppy mills) and job jocks have been pumping to line there own pockets. The only thing that the retirements will help is to get the industry back to a respectable position--if the industry doesn't pump out 2 more pilots for each of the pilots who retire.
The parasites will do their best to profit again by over selling the dream. It's too much like the TV commercials touting $1,000 a week or more working from you own home.
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