Delta New Hires/Class Dates/Cleared to Train
09-19-2010 | 02:35 AM
#762
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Congrats to the new hires.
This post is mostly for the ex-military guys and IMO touches on the difference you will find between mil and airline training.
1. Callouts - they go from the mundane (normal takeoff - 80 kts, hold, thrust normal, V1, rotate, positve rate) to the somewhat different (V1 cut - 80kts, hold, thrust normal, v1 rotate, positive rate, gear up, -at 400 feet, the HAT check heading select, autothrottle off call tower, at 1000 feet - more stuff etc.
--My point is at DAL you are NOW talking and flying in initial training -normally not the case in AF training. Learn the callout littany ice cold - have your instructor write them out in their entirety -as a traffic pattern. It will make your 1st delta school easier and subsequent schools easier -too.
2. Systems are almost completely self taught, there is an important document with which you must become intimately familiar call the "learning objectives document" or LOD. This combined with your volume 2 covers all required systems knowledge.
3. Performance - the Military basically takes a point in space after takeoff and works backward to the takeoff position to determine performance and obstacle clearance. The airline starts in takeoff position and works its way forward to the obstacle. They get you to the same place, but how they get you there are backwards from each other.
4. Flows - basically the way to make sure all switches are in the right positions and all systems are checked. DAL provides flow pattern charts that give you a good headstart on an orderly flow pattern...you can change it with better aircraft familiarity. The flow mentality is derived from the philosophy that it is a "check" list, not a "do" list. You reference the checklist after you have done all your preparations and catch what you missed.
The USAF can cram 2 months of taining into 4 months. DAL crams 2 months of training into 3 weeks. The first school is the tough one only because it is foreign. The instructors by and large are great.
Again, Congratulations and welcome. We all hope you will be senior widebody lineholders by this time next year.
This post is mostly for the ex-military guys and IMO touches on the difference you will find between mil and airline training.
1. Callouts - they go from the mundane (normal takeoff - 80 kts, hold, thrust normal, V1, rotate, positve rate) to the somewhat different (V1 cut - 80kts, hold, thrust normal, v1 rotate, positive rate, gear up, -at 400 feet, the HAT check heading select, autothrottle off call tower, at 1000 feet - more stuff etc.
--My point is at DAL you are NOW talking and flying in initial training -normally not the case in AF training. Learn the callout littany ice cold - have your instructor write them out in their entirety -as a traffic pattern. It will make your 1st delta school easier and subsequent schools easier -too.
2. Systems are almost completely self taught, there is an important document with which you must become intimately familiar call the "learning objectives document" or LOD. This combined with your volume 2 covers all required systems knowledge.
3. Performance - the Military basically takes a point in space after takeoff and works backward to the takeoff position to determine performance and obstacle clearance. The airline starts in takeoff position and works its way forward to the obstacle. They get you to the same place, but how they get you there are backwards from each other.
4. Flows - basically the way to make sure all switches are in the right positions and all systems are checked. DAL provides flow pattern charts that give you a good headstart on an orderly flow pattern...you can change it with better aircraft familiarity. The flow mentality is derived from the philosophy that it is a "check" list, not a "do" list. You reference the checklist after you have done all your preparations and catch what you missed.
The USAF can cram 2 months of taining into 4 months. DAL crams 2 months of training into 3 weeks. The first school is the tough one only because it is foreign. The instructors by and large are great.
Again, Congratulations and welcome. We all hope you will be senior widebody lineholders by this time next year.
09-19-2010 | 05:56 AM
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I'm in the October 11th class... phew! I wasn't able to get a lot of questions answered in the short phone call but it sounds like you find out the equipment and base before class. Indoc is two weeks then you have two to three weeks off before going to aircraft-specific training, correct? Here are a few questions for anyone that may know:
1) At some point do you have a fairly concrete syllabus that lets you know when you're in training and when you have breaks (there's a wedding my wife is curious about being able to attend).
2) Roughly how long is systems? Is there a lengthy break between systems and sim? Sim and IOE?
3) When do benefits kick in? Health/travel?
Thanks a lot. I'm thrilled and flattered to be joining Delta's ranks!
1) At some point do you have a fairly concrete syllabus that lets you know when you're in training and when you have breaks (there's a wedding my wife is curious about being able to attend).
2) Roughly how long is systems? Is there a lengthy break between systems and sim? Sim and IOE?
3) When do benefits kick in? Health/travel?
Thanks a lot. I'm thrilled and flattered to be joining Delta's ranks!
09-19-2010 | 07:54 PM
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09-20-2010 | 07:02 AM
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From: Bebe Bus De L'Air Assistant Aerial Conveyance Facilitator
I'm in the October 11th class... phew! I wasn't able to get a lot of questions answered in the short phone call but it sounds like you find out the equipment and base before class. Indoc is two weeks then you have two to three weeks off before going to aircraft-specific training, correct? Here are a few questions for anyone that may know:
1) At some point do you have a fairly concrete syllabus that lets you know when you're in training and when you have breaks (there's a wedding my wife is curious about being able to attend).
2) Roughly how long is systems? Is there a lengthy break between systems and sim? Sim and IOE?
3) When do benefits kick in? Health/travel?
Thanks a lot. I'm thrilled and flattered to be joining Delta's ranks!
1) At some point do you have a fairly concrete syllabus that lets you know when you're in training and when you have breaks (there's a wedding my wife is curious about being able to attend).
2) Roughly how long is systems? Is there a lengthy break between systems and sim? Sim and IOE?
3) When do benefits kick in? Health/travel?
Thanks a lot. I'm thrilled and flattered to be joining Delta's ranks!
1) At some point during the 2-week indoc, they'll give you your sim schedule. IOE isn't scheduled until you are done with the sims. If you have an important event to attend to, tell them when you first get to class and they will try to work with you. How much will depend on the gravity of the event: If it's your wedding, they'll move mountains to get you off. If you got football tickets, probably not so much. It's much easier to request a specific time off (a day or two) if it falls when you'll be doing IOE because they have more flexibility scheduling that. I wanted a couple of days off to go see Jimmy Buffett and they said no problem.
2) Systems is on a CD which has to be completed before you take your systems validation (a computer test), which is at the end of your first week of sims (a procedures trainer, actually). Wait time between indoc and sims will vary depending on how busy the school house is. In my class, we had guys go straight to the sims, after a few days off, to guys waiting a couple of months. The gap between sims and IOE is usually much shorter.
3) benefits start on day 1, but for travel, it will take a few days for things like your companion/dependents/parents to catch up in the system.
Welcome aboard.
09-20-2010 | 07:28 AM
#768
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From: Dismayed
1) At some point during the 2-week indoc, they'll give you your sim schedule. IOE isn't scheduled until you are done with the sims. If you have an important event to attend to, tell them when you first get to class and they will try to work with you. How much will depend on the gravity of the event: If it's your wedding, they'll move mountains to get you off. If you got football tickets, probably not so much. It's much easier to request a specific time off (a day or two) if it falls when you'll be doing IOE because they have more flexibility scheduling that. I wanted a couple of days off to go see Jimmy Buffett and they said no problem.
As to the computer training, if you have a windows based system you're much better off than an apple. I know of ways to get the training done on an apple, but its not as easy as Windows.
Welcome aboard!
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