And I know many who are debating just the opposite.

Why would I want to volunteer to help spread DALPA's message of mediocrity, expectations management, and defeat?

 

The real ? is if the company will allow them to set up info tables in the lounges. If they have 25% just from their internet campaign, what will be the final % if they are apprv'd for those tables.

If you are RA, do you let them?

On one hand do you anger ALPA whom you've been working with by allowing it and distrupting that relationship.

On the other hand, do you go for the business $$ decision and allow the apple cart to get turned over prior to c12.

Should be entertaining to watch at the least.

 

That is something to be decided, that I agree with. Also stuffing of mailboxes but that is a different story.

DAL88;
Nothing I have seen is preaching what you post. Maybe they do not want to pour on the rhetoric but that is probably it. Most of the guys I talk to probably want a lot more than the restoration you seek. The difference is that they do not want to make demands that they KNOW will not be met until inflation catches up with these demands. It is about playing hit and run ball, not trying for home run after home run.

In the end, hit and run ball will probably score more points for the team than a third base coach constantly telling his batters to swing for the long ball. That does not preclude the third base coach from telling the batter to go for it, it just means that he is not going to commit to one battle plan this far out.

I suspect one of the first things the new MEC Chair will do is poll the pilots of Delta to see where we all stand on their demands. Once that is done we will be able to asses any proposals and or pitches that come our way.

 

and you replied:

But now you say:

So let me get this straight. It's perfectly fine for you to refuse to volunteer your services for DALPA, but if a current ALPA volunteer refuses to help DPA he is somehow disloyal?

Help me follow that logic 88.

 

+1 Exactly right.

A web board isn't going to represent you in the Chief Pilot's Office, in front of the FAA, get your medical back, solve your scheduling issues, process your grievances, defend your contract, represent pilots in any accident's or incidences either in the US or overseas, etc, etc. and we haven't even gone into the complexities of navigating a full section six negotiation.

DPA quite frankly does not have the capabilities to represent 12,000 professional pilots. Only the most naive and ill informed would believe that it is possible to stand up a new union from scratch and not only do the daily grunt work, which takes hundreds of volunteers, on day one, but also engage in section 6 in any meaningful way in 2012.

JMHO

 

If the DPA proponents want to build a union from scratch then have them do it, don't ask the current volunteers to pick up the mess DPA's leadership would leave behind.

IMO, the DPA leadership doesn't have a plan to takeover, nor the stomach for real union work, that's why their counting on ALPA volunteers to be DPA volunteers.

ALPA work is hard enough already, why put your family through it as a DPA volunteer when there is no support structure, no resources and no capabilities to do your job properly.

You want to build a union, then build it.

 

No problem. I think I can help you, PG!

You took this stuff out of context in the thread. If you go back and follow the conversation, you should see that we were talking about what someone referred to as "volunteer specialists"... i.e. R&I, contract, PBS, etc. I've actually helped out a little in an unofficial capacity with some R&I issues in the past. I have no problem helping out where I can and if I believe I'm truly helping. But I'm not going to spend my time parroting what I consider to be detrimental propaganda. If DALPA changes its true focus to restoration instead of damage control and excuses for why we cannot achieve restoration, then I would certainly reconsider that.

Bottom line, though. If DPA is chosen to be our association, then I will help out with something that I feel I can legitimately help with. If DPA fails and ALPA continues to be our association, then I will also help out with something that I feel I can legitimately help with. I'm not going to take my ball and go home either way. Just understand, though, that accepting our current BK/emergency standard of living as a new norm from which we would negotiate traditional increases is not something I could in good conscience and therefore, legitimately, help with. Until they fix this, it's no-go for the communications/P2P type stuff with me.

 

Well I guess you answered that question!

 

You have obviously never been involved in P2P. "parroting detrimental propaganda" is not in their job description. LISTENING, and RELAYING FACTS are.

 

The only problem with that is I would be very skeptical of some of those "FACTS". Just look at the way opinions are constantly stated as facts by the ALPA guys right here on this forum. From what I've seen, I don't think it's just a forum thing either.