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11-13-2010, 08:00 AM
#2461
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
Originally Posted by clancy
ACL, There is a change coming to the Delta MEC with the elections that are underway. I see a more aggressive personality for this group of new LEC officers coming in and expect good things. I am going to volunteer for the new P2P and hope to make a difference. This DPA group has no future.
11-13-2010, 08:01 AM
#2462
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,923
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Sign your cards and mail them in, but before you vote realize what you are giving up.
I say to you, get involved, throw you name up for a P2P guy and get front seat access to the decision makers in your union. You will quickly realize why guys like me support ALPA and all that it offers.
No one discredits that there needs to be some changes in a few area, but to start anew in the world we live in is just plain naive.
I say to you, get involved, throw you name up for a P2P guy and get front seat access to the decision makers in your union. You will quickly realize why guys like me support ALPA and all that it offers.
No one discredits that there needs to be some changes in a few area, but to start anew in the world we live in is just plain naive.
11-13-2010, 08:27 AM
#2464
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
The policy manual can and will be changed if that is the consensus of the reps. Ergo, put your guys in there to get the policy manual changed. It is a tried and true process. If it is not changing with pilots you have elected, ask them why they have a change of heart.
11-13-2010, 09:08 AM
#2465
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
DPA is gaining steam. There is a very real possibility of a de-certification of ALPA vote within the next year.
I haven't seen any comments/information around the system nor has a single pilot mentioned it to me while at work. Nobody I am connected with at work has sent me info or solicited for my support either. Here and on the ALPA board are the ONLY places I have seen ANYTHING mentioning the DPA. I won't say that there isn't stuff out there, but I personally have not seen anything in my bouncing around the system.
11-13-2010, 09:16 AM
#2466
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That is part of the Problem, if you de-cerfity ALPA, then you need to be ready to take over day one. ALPA is not going to provide you services while you get your house in order.
You will not see a card from me unless I am fully convinced that DALPA has not made the changes that are promised from all the recently elected reps AND the "alternative" has shown that they are prepared to step in and be fully functional on Day 1 for the same cost or less than what I am currently paying.
11-13-2010, 09:22 AM
#2467
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,227
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
All,
As I read the ongoing debate over the merits or lack thereof of DPA, one point really keeps bothering me:
Who are going to be the legions of Reps, Officers, Committee Chairs and volunteers, staff, etc., etc. that now represents hundreds of volunteers just at DALPA, never mind having to pick up the functions that would have to be duplicated from National?
Don't count on any current volunteers - every Rep (past and present) and volunteer I have spoken too has stated unequivocally they do not support DPA and would not even consider volunteering there should there be a switch in representation.
It is certainly legal and within ones right (other than using ALPA assets to do so) to advocate for another bargaining agent, so there is nothing to fear in publicly declaring ones intent to run for a position. Right now I can identify no more than 3 principals in DPA. Where is everyone else and who is going to do the work, giving up much of their personal free time to do so?
I find it inconceivable that anyone would even consider replacing ALPA without knowing exactly who and what is going to actually represent them. I don't expect anyone to name themselves here, but perhaps they will start naming candidates on their web site willing to stand up and volunteer for all the various positions so we can judge the caliber and expertise of those who are proposing to replace ALPA.
Where are the meetings scheduled so that pilots can meet their potential DPA candidates? Saying you are mad as hell and kicking the table over is easy. Getting a seat back at the table and doing the actual the work is not. My experience is those who criticize the most vocally are usually the last to volunteer to effect meaningful change, so I'm counting out most of those I see posting here.
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"
As I read the ongoing debate over the merits or lack thereof of DPA, one point really keeps bothering me:
Who are going to be the legions of Reps, Officers, Committee Chairs and volunteers, staff, etc., etc. that now represents hundreds of volunteers just at DALPA, never mind having to pick up the functions that would have to be duplicated from National?
Don't count on any current volunteers - every Rep (past and present) and volunteer I have spoken too has stated unequivocally they do not support DPA and would not even consider volunteering there should there be a switch in representation.
It is certainly legal and within ones right (other than using ALPA assets to do so) to advocate for another bargaining agent, so there is nothing to fear in publicly declaring ones intent to run for a position. Right now I can identify no more than 3 principals in DPA. Where is everyone else and who is going to do the work, giving up much of their personal free time to do so?
I find it inconceivable that anyone would even consider replacing ALPA without knowing exactly who and what is going to actually represent them. I don't expect anyone to name themselves here, but perhaps they will start naming candidates on their web site willing to stand up and volunteer for all the various positions so we can judge the caliber and expertise of those who are proposing to replace ALPA.
Where are the meetings scheduled so that pilots can meet their potential DPA candidates? Saying you are mad as hell and kicking the table over is easy. Getting a seat back at the table and doing the actual the work is not. My experience is those who criticize the most vocally are usually the last to volunteer to effect meaningful change, so I'm counting out most of those I see posting here.
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"
So you are saying their loyalty is to ALPA and not the Delta Pilots?
11-13-2010, 09:35 AM
#2468
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by shiznit
You will not see a card from me unless I am fully convinced that DALPA has not made the changes that are promised from all the recently elected reps AND the "alternative" has shown that they are prepared to step in and be fully functional on Day 1 for the same cost or less than what I am currently paying.
11-13-2010, 09:35 AM
#2469
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,306
I haven't heard word one on it from anyone I've flown with. I know who a couple of the proponents are and I'm not impressed. Not that they'll be in charge of anything but the fact that they're involved concerns me. Feels like it's a group that's more concerned with proving a point and righting perceived individual wrongs than improving the lives of the individual Delta pilot.
On the other hand, I think we have a real chance through our size alone to make ALPA become a much better association than it is now.
On the other hand, I think we have a real chance through our size alone to make ALPA become a much better association than it is now.
11-13-2010, 09:36 AM
#2470
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Don't count on any current volunteers - every Rep (past and present) and volunteer I have spoken too has stated unequivocally they do not support DPA and would not even consider volunteering there should there be a switch in representation.
Originally Posted by Schwanker
So you are saying their loyalty is to ALPA and not the Delta Pilots?
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