Functionality is much more than having reps who care about a negotiating a great contract.

I think that contractual restoration is important, but by "fully functional" I mean to say that we will need capable, knowledgeable people to man the Safety committee, to review the monthly PBS runs, to man the PBS help desk, to have guys like C.T. in the office to resolve PWA questions, call the company and help provide resolution before problems become a "fly now, greive later" scenario. We will need R&I staff to help guys getting ready to punch out have all the info they need. Who will represent the next busted pilot? What happens to the pilot representative to the ASAP committee? There are numerous things that keep the union running every single day that have to be duplicated and implemented, and its a much, much larger task that will require hundreds if not thousands of man hours to organize.

(I still think our new/current stable of LEC Reps want restoration just as badly as a "new bargaining agent's" slate of elected reps do.)

 

I'd say they are being loyal to the Delta Pilots in their view. Not sure agree, but this is what I think they are thinking......

Follow me here:

If they(the current volunteers) feel that the present structure is more beneficial to the Delta Pilots, and that the many benefits, services, skills, and knowledge the "volunteer specialists" bring to the pilots would disappear if an alternate association is put in place; then it would have an effect of discouraging votes for the alternative bargaining agent....therefore keeping a more effective (in their eyes) structure in place, which results in having the better long-term option (again in their eyes) in place to serve the Delta Pilots.

This is how they are "showing their loyalty" to the Delta Pilots.

YMMV.

 

DPA has roughly 25% of the cards they need. 25% more to go till a vote. FYI
Fly2002

 

25% is over 3,000 pilots. Sounds to me like a little more than just a few "forum radicals."

 

And of those 25% how many will never vote for them? Probably a lot.

 

Wanting something and advocating/pursuing it are not necessarily the same thing. Of course all of us want restoration. The real question is whether our current reps believe it is attainable and have set it as their objective. From everything I've heard and read... for most of them, I would say the answer is no. I would say that most of them have settled for something well short of that. If this is incorrect, then they need to start communicating it ASAP because I'm definitely not the only one who has this impression.

Think of it as an ILS to minimums. Your objective should be to see what you need at minimums and land in the touchdown zone. If you start getting below the glideslope, and the PF is not correcting... well, there's a conversation that has to happen right there. You can't just accept that you are below glideslope and live with it. If you are on the final segment and the PF is not correcting, then his objective or at least his ability to achieve the objective becomes questionable. Landing well short of the runway threshold is not an option. At some point, you may have to take over. Maybe not a perfect analogy... but you get the idea.

 

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

DAL88;
My charge to you since you have so much time on your hands given the fact they forgot there is a MEM 9A category, is to volunteer for P2P and or some other committee.

I know a few guys that after reading these threads that are debating pulling their cards.

 

So basically you're saying it's a bluff? If DPA is voted in, these "volunteer specialists" would step up to the plate and continue helping this pilot group? Or would they take their ball and go home. Still sounds to me like their loyalty could be misplaced.

 

No DAL88, what he is saying is that these people beleive that ALPA even with the warts, will better represent this pilot group than a upstart. A lot of the guys that I talk to would probably fight to get ALPA back on property.