Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Aren't you the one that lambasted all of us for personal insults? Yet you think nothing of continually insulting anyone who doesn't agree with your world view. Nice double standard.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Ok, PG. You're right. I should change the wording from "ALPA apologists" to "ALPA supporters." Other than that, I see nothing wrong with the comment.

Originally Posted by tsquare

I smell a lot of fear...

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

That is part of the Problem, if you de-cerfity ALPA, then you need to be ready to take over day one. ALPA is not going to provide you services while you get your house in order.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

I'm going to probably surprise you a little, shiznit, and basically agree with you on this point. I did send in a card... not because I'm prepared to absolutely vote DPA in at this moment, but because all the card does is allow a vote to be taken. I too would want to know that everything is "fully functional" before pulling the trigger on the changeover. But I want a heck of a lot more than "fully functional"! I want an association that is clearly advocating restoration. What I absolutely do NOT want is an association that makes every excuse in the book why that supposedly cannot happen... an association that continually tries to manage our expectations downward. All I'm looking for is someone to fight for us, not concede defeat and try to make the best of it. If DPA will do that, I'll vote for them. I want them to be fully functional (and they will have to address that), but that is only one part of the big picture here... and not the most important part IMO either.

Originally Posted by ExAF

The DPA vote doesn't decertify ALPA, just gives us a right to vote whether or not to decertify ALPA. I'm willing to see the DPA be given the opportunity to show us what they can do AND be ready to take over on day 1. I think the pilot group as a whole is smart enough to weigh the pros and cons and come up with the best choice. Either way, the voice of all of the DAL pilots have a chance to be heard and their will be done. Either way, the DAL pilots win.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I don't think it will be that long at USAIR. Many of the East guys want ALPA back now. Those who are facing or have faced medical or regulatory issues especially want the change. Their Captains make about the same as most Delta copilots on a W2 basis. Their copilots pay is beyond pitiful. They get zero respect from management who basically rarely bothers to talk to them. We will face the same situation at Delta.
Someone put a post out suggesting CAPA could become the new voice of the majors in DC. Interesting thought. How would this new voice be funded? Would CAPA become a union and collect dues. Would it be donations? CAPA at the moment can put out press releases but can't accomplish anything because they don't have what it takes. Years of putting cash in the right pockets in DC. Again what would the dues for DPA be to set the union up and get started without taking on debt. USAPA borrowed a lot of money and are facing real financial issues. They did that to keep the dues in line with ALPA. What is the DPA plan? Low dues and massive borrowing or high dues?

Originally Posted by tsquare

You mean to tell me that alpa national would not even SELL DPA those services? really?

Originally Posted by Splash

DPA? I've had better-developed ideas after 4 shots of Cuervo.

Regardless of the intent of the designers, the "plan" is to

a. Tap into anger.
b. Solicit cards.
c. If we start to get a bunch of cards; then develop an organization.

"We'll come up with something!"

Originally Posted by Splash

DPA? I've had better-developed ideas after 4 shots of Cuervo.

Regardless of the intent of the designers, the "plan" is to

a. Tap into anger.
b. Solicit cards.
c. If we start to get a bunch of cards; then develop an organization.

"We'll come up with something!"