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11-25-2010 | 02:56 PM
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Hey PG,
I'm enjoying Thanksgiving with my family. Hope you are too!
I think the problem with your argument is your use of the "boom and bust" concept. Here are the definitions of "boom" and "bust" I found as they relate to business:
Boom - To grow, develop, or progress rapidly; flourish: "Business is booming."
Bust - A state of bankruptcy. A time or period of widespread financial depression.
I don't think a 2% pay cut would meet most people's understanding of a "bust", especially when you consider the actual definition of the term. Certainly, a 30% increase could be considered a "boom" under the right circumstances. However, as you point out, our buying power was in a slow, steady decline (even though actual rates were going up or remaining stagnant) in your chart. It could be argued that the 30% increase with C2K was simply a correction to get our profession back on track to where it should be. That's the way I see it. A 42% pay cut, loss of pension, and having thousands of jobs outsourced would I think most definitely be considered a huge "bust" in most people's view. But those were both anomalies, not a normal part of a cycle.
I would write more, but I'm going to enjoy Thanksgiving with my family. I hope everyone else here is able to do the same today! No matter how poorly our careers have gone in recent years, there is much more to life than our jobs. I hope everyone will spend the day focusing on all the many things in life we have to be thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!
I'm enjoying Thanksgiving with my family. Hope you are too!
I think the problem with your argument is your use of the "boom and bust" concept. Here are the definitions of "boom" and "bust" I found as they relate to business:
Boom - To grow, develop, or progress rapidly; flourish: "Business is booming."
Bust - A state of bankruptcy. A time or period of widespread financial depression.
I don't think a 2% pay cut would meet most people's understanding of a "bust", especially when you consider the actual definition of the term. Certainly, a 30% increase could be considered a "boom" under the right circumstances. However, as you point out, our buying power was in a slow, steady decline (even though actual rates were going up or remaining stagnant) in your chart. It could be argued that the 30% increase with C2K was simply a correction to get our profession back on track to where it should be. That's the way I see it. A 42% pay cut, loss of pension, and having thousands of jobs outsourced would I think most definitely be considered a huge "bust" in most people's view. But those were both anomalies, not a normal part of a cycle.
I would write more, but I'm going to enjoy Thanksgiving with my family. I hope everyone else here is able to do the same today! No matter how poorly our careers have gone in recent years, there is much more to life than our jobs. I hope everyone will spend the day focusing on all the many things in life we have to be thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!
I'm stuck in Asia wondering if I can order stuffing with my squid and eel?
Happy Thanksgiving to you!
Carl
11-25-2010 | 02:58 PM
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Why shouldn't labor be a fixed cost?
It should be.
What if we took it a step further. What if ALPA labor was a fixed cost?
An ALPA 757 pilot at Ucal/Dal/or any ALPA carrier that operates them has a set floor.
How do we get from here to there? How can we make such a change? How does it work that this is the case with RR's?
It should be.
What if we took it a step further. What if ALPA labor was a fixed cost?
An ALPA 757 pilot at Ucal/Dal/or any ALPA carrier that operates them has a set floor.
How do we get from here to there? How can we make such a change? How does it work that this is the case with RR's?
You don't under the RLA. If the RLA were to be repealed which is not likely then you have a chance. To understand how important the RLA is to management you need only take a look at Fedex. Fedex does not belong under the RLA. They are a package delivery company. A bill was placed in Congress to remove them from the RLA. Fred Smith was so concerned about this happening that he wrote into his aircraft purchase contracts that all his orders could be canceled if Fedex were removed from the RLA. He went right to Congress and told them he would buy all Airbuses and cancel every Boeing order if they followed through. The bill died a quiet death.
11-25-2010 | 03:14 PM
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11-25-2010 | 03:21 PM
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This will be interesting if anybody can find a single post where I've ever made such a statement about Moak.
Carl
11-25-2010 | 03:26 PM
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Up until recently, airline pilots had a bigger piece of the pie (okay, I can't even think about pie right now!). We are no less important today than we were for decades before this past one. Some of those variables need to be shuffled around and properly compensating us needs to have a higher priority than it does right now. I want the folks representing me to be making the case for this, not making the case for why it supposedly cannot happen.
This!
Carl
11-25-2010 | 03:30 PM
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11-25-2010 | 03:34 PM
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Does it even matter to you that I've never done any such thing? Are your own pre-conceived ideas about people so extreme, that you completely make stuff up? And please try to find another word for insulting someone dude.
This will be interesting if anybody can find a single post where I've ever made such a statement about Moak.
Carl
This will be interesting if anybody can find a single post where I've ever made such a statement about Moak.
Carl
11-25-2010 | 04:09 PM
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