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Old 12-15-2010 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver2Gold
I understand you iceman, but I'm starting to think I'd like to exist in the world that CAPA/SWAPA/APA seems to think we exist in.........
Completely agree
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Old 12-18-2010 | 08:17 AM
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Did you have your CA / FO send in their card today?
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Old 12-18-2010 | 02:39 PM
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When I turn my certificate over, XIII lists "English Proficient".

ALPA gets it.

All those trees? Part of a forest.
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Old 12-18-2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
When I turn my certificate over, XIII lists "English Proficient".

ALPA gets it.

All those trees? Part of a forest.

By sending in a card you only set us up for a vote. Then the majority decides, you're not afraid of that, are you? It will only indicate how strong and united we are....
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Old 12-18-2010 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Then the majority decides, you're not afraid of that, are you? It will only indicate how strong and united we are....
The mother of all non sequiturs!

You believe announcing the division among the pilot group is the best way to demonstrate unity? Just prior to Section 6?

Seriously?

I'm not afraid of a majority opinion. I'm afraid of a small group (don't EVEN try to assert majority until your leadership stops sliding the date they believe they'll GET a majority) waving their arms and shouting "We don't want anything to do with ALPA!" just as ALPA starts to negotiate our next contract.

DPA is management's wet dream. Campbell would drive those chumps like yellow gear!

Study the DNA of DPA and you'll see a stark and abundant legacy of FAIL. Are you familiar with the geniuses at PFAA and AMFA? Do some homework and check out who's backing this group...then post all of their successes.

Come up with ANYTHING they have done right.

Ever.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
The mother of all non sequiturs!

You believe announcing the division among the pilot group is the best way to demonstrate unity? Just prior to Section 6?

Seriously?

I'm not afraid of a majority opinion. I'm afraid of a small group (don't EVEN try to assert majority until your leadership stops sliding the date they believe they'll GET a majority) waving their arms and shouting "We don't want anything to do with ALPA!" just as ALPA starts to negotiate our next contract.

DPA is management's wet dream. Campbell would drive those chumps like yellow gear!

Study the DNA of DPA and you'll see a stark and abundant legacy of FAIL. Are you familiar with the geniuses at PFAA and AMFA? Do some homework and check out who's backing this group...then post all of their successes.

Come up with ANYTHING they have done right.

Ever.
If this is true why has DAL management told the DPA they cannot do anything on Delta property?
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Old 12-19-2010 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
If this is true why has DAL management told the DPA they cannot do anything on Delta property?
Seriously?

Its the first sentence in the contract.
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Section 1

SCOPE

A. Recognition

1. In accordance with the certification issued by the National Mediation Board in Case No. R-7191, 36 NMB No. 21, January 22, 2009, the Company recognizes the Air Line Pilots Association, International, as the duly designated and authorized representative of the Flight Deck Crewmembers in the service of the Company for the purposes of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.

Bold is mine.

The company cannot legally allow any other prospective bargaining agent do anything on property or they would be in violation of the very first first thing in the contract.

Emotion is not a strategy.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
If this is true why has DAL management told the DPA they cannot do anything on Delta property?
Beyond the education shiz has provided you on your own contract, why aren't you questioning the information you're getting from the DPA organizers? Why haven't they explained this to you? Are you willing to vest your future in an organization that doesn't understand the FIRST SENTENCE of the pilot's contract?

There's a disconnect here, and you need to clue up to it.

The DPA would fully expect similar language in their contract to protect themselves from the perpetually pi$$ed pilots who succumb to the sweet cooing from the likes of the DPA puppetmasters.

Supporters of the DPA need to start providing some answers. The "I want things to be different. Don't you want things to be different? National organizations can't be different!" organizing mantra is the same flimsy hooey AMFA and PFAA used to lure their employee groups to failure.

Oh yeah...sign me up for some of THAT!!
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Old 12-19-2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Seriously?

Its the first sentence in the contract.



Bold is mine.

The company cannot legally allow any other prospective bargaining agent do anything on property or they would be in violation of the very first first thing in the contract.

Emotion is not a strategy.

The way I read that was that the company has to deal with ALPA for all contract concerns. I didn't see anything that said they couldn't allow campaigning from a competing entity for our business. If you read it that way, why is it that ALPA can't write a scope clause that protects DELTA pilots that is as iron clad? They surely seem to be able to protect their own fiefdom, yet cannot protect that of it's constituents. Funny how that works.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Seriously?

Its the first sentence in the contract.



Bold is mine.

The company cannot legally allow any other prospective bargaining agent do anything on property or they would be in violation of the very first first thing in the contract.

Emotion is not a strategy.
I am not an attorney but I don't believe that this says the DPA cannot do anything on DAL property.
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