I just checked their website. Here's what I found on the "DPA timeline":

At 20% return of Cards – Draft constitution produced to web. Comments received.
At 30% return of Cards – Interim volunteer President/Vice President selected by the Communication Committee to serve until NMB election.


Question: Have they got 20% return of cards? If so, where's the constitution?
Question: Have they got 30% return of cards? If so, where's the Pres/Vice Pres?


I also checked for base reps. With 12,000 pilots to choose from, only 3 bases show as having a single rep. 3 out of 12,000 are willing to step up and be counted, and one of those doesn't even list his real name. Pretty impressive....

 

Well, I would assume that means they don't have the 20% return of cards. But the charge being made by ACL is that they are not complying with their "outline." If they have met the above percentages and not followed through, then that would be my understanding of "not complying with their outline." The thing is that neither you, ACL, nor I know how many cards they have received. So the accusation that they are not complying with their outline seems to me like a rather transparent attempt to discredit them without having any facts to back it up. That's all I'm saying. If you have actual facts that prove ACL's allegations, then please do share.

I agree. This is not impressive and doesn't bode well for the likelihood of DPA ever coming to fruition. Of course, I find ALPA to be equally unimpressive in terms of demonstrating any intent or resolve to restore our careers. Pretty much sucks for those of us who haven't given up on this profession.

 

Well, my daddy always said, "If you want something done RIGHT, you gotta do it yourself". Since DPA and ALPA are both failing to meet your objectives, it would seem you have only two choices:

1) continue to be disappointed, or
2) stand up and try to make a difference

Life is full of choices...

 

That line always makes for a good comeback, but it's not realistic. One person cannot change a well-established, political machine. I'll be glad to do my part if that time ever comes, but right now I honestly do not see a way I could make a difference.

 

Wrong thread.......

 

Admit it - that's a cop out. DPA is obviously NOT a well oiled political machine, so they've got plenty of room for you.

ALPA will also always accept the help from someone, if you are willing to do something other than be the KING. But so many guys think, "I have all the answers, but I just can't get anyone to see it. If I were KING....."

Democracy doesn't work that way.

 

No it's not. It's an extremely honest assessment of what I see.

Which is why I would be more open minded about serving in a true "bottom up" situation.

That's a complete misrepresentation of what I have said. I don't know anybody who thinks they have all the answers. I certainly don't. But I can most definitely recognize an organization that has an agenda and philosophy that is a complete misfit for my agenda and philosophy. Not to get into a political discussion, but let me illustrate my point. If I were a very conservative, right wing Republican, I would be wasting my time (and their's) volunteering to help out with some extremely liberal, left wing Progressive organization. Or vice versa.

Having said that... there have been a couple of times over the years where I have been in a position to help ALPA out with a little something here and there. And I didn't hesitate one second when asked. No "KING complex" here.

 

Off topic.

Can some of ya'll check the Delta jumpseat thread in the commuting section and help me out. Thanks in advance DAL guys and gals!!

Second to last post.

 

It's no cop out. One person can't make a difference in an organization that has nothing to fear. They ruling elite of said organization.. whether it be ALPA.. the AFA or the US Congress have nothing to fear from new blood because they know that they can squash any opposition to the way they do things. If.. on the other hand, you want to change the way they sweep the floors at corporate... well "Come on in boy.. here's your broom"

 

If... and it is a really big IF... there was anything that struck fear into the hearts of alpa national, it would be this attitude right here^ But they know that in the end that apathy will rule, and that their fiefdom is secure. Once the contract is negotiated, DPA will go onto the same scrap heap as the PPA.. there is no fear in Virginia.