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01-05-2011 | 06:09 PM

#3931

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by dckozak

Assuming all the above to be true, what does that say about who Delta allows to fly your passengers.

It says the exact same thing about your management as it says about Delta's, which is: they know the customers could care less about anything else but price. If your scope allowed your management to move all the boxes with cheaper outsourced labor, you would all be gone.

01-05-2011 | 06:12 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom

I don't know this to be fact, but I'm quite sure the agreement(s) between Delta and their non-wholly owned connection carriers requires the connection carriers to indemnify DAL from lawsuits related to the connection carriers.

You are correct sir. That is why Delta doesn't get involved in who a regional "partner" hires.

Carl

01-05-2011 | 06:21 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by gloopy

Management doesn't have the guts to do it first of all. Do you really think they would merge and inherit the longevity of a regional, plus the training costs, just to watch them slide over to top scale pay, just to spite the pilot group? That's a bluff I am willing to call all day long because it is an empty threat.

Not only that, but the "gold standard" these days is relative ratio based on category far, far more than it is DOH or simply list ratio. If someone brings top 10% senior RJ CA to the table before the "merger", they will be top 10% senior RJ CA after the merger. Nothing more. Management would hate a "regional windfall" as much as the pilot group would.

That's true, but in arbitration - anything can happen. This Mesabah guy talks about a ratio possiblility whereby senior RJ captains are ratioed in and allow them to fly 744 and 777 captain, etc. This is not at all an impossible outcome. This is also why management knows they would have the most extreme opposition possible to any kind of merger with a regional. Even if all the RJ guys agreed in writing to a staple, we all know how those contracts can be abrogated by a later arbitration.

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01-05-2011 | 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Yes, but I have seen first hand the entitlement issues surrounding mergers. It won't be more than a few weeks till the mainline pilots start wanting RJ captain seats.

You're right about the entitlement issues, but it's your entitlement 'issues' to being ratioed in to fly 744/777 captain. Why? Because you're entitled.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

When Mesaba was bought by NWA we tried to file a PID to force a merger. ALPA balked saying it would end up like USair/AWA, and ALPA could not afford that happening.

Of course you tried to force a merger. You were hoping for that ratio dream. Didn't happen then, won't happen now...for the same reason. But at least your being honest about it. Too many come on here and say: "please put us on the list...we'll even accept being stapled."

Carl

01-05-2011 | 06:34 PM

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Deleted because I'm an idiot.

Last edited by 80ktsClamp; 01-05-2011 at 06:35 PM. Reason: stupid is as stupid does.

01-05-2011 | 06:37 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

I just as anyone else here would absolutely love to see scope recaptured by the mainline. However, I also want to see it done effectively.

Translation: By "effectively", I mean the recaptured flying's pilots being ratioed into a merged Delta pilots list.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Furthermore, I don't trust anyone who doesn't have a dog in this fight. This would be the wide body captains, the ones most responsible for selling it in the past. What's to say the DPA won't sell scope further down the river, what's to say ALPA won't?

Spoken by an ignorant youngster who has no idea why the pilot group caved in on scope. The cave-in was in the 70% range...meaning that it couldn't have been just the senior pilots. It was all pilots.

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01-05-2011 | 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NuGuy

The day that "corporate veil" is pierced is the day RJs REALLY start getting parked.

Risk management people work on a very fixed set of rules to come up with the numbers. If the rules change, so do the numbers.

Nu

Absolutely 100% correct!

Carl

01-05-2011 | 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NuGuy

The day that "corporate veil" is pierced is the day RJs REALLY start getting parked.

The Colgan crash was a perfect opportunity to pull the veil and get it fixed. What lobbying group had a conflict of interest...

01-05-2011 | 07:35 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by capncrunch

The Colgan crash was a perfect opportunity to pull the veil and get it fixed. What lobbying group had a conflict of interest...

A-L-P-A??

Carl

01-05-2011 | 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Carl, that's because ALPA failed to full explain to those 70% of pilots what their actual position was in regards to the bankruptcy. Instead they ran the fear campaign, that's a huge departure from the old Cobra style of NWA. Why? Has ALPA become the arm of management, or become an oligarchy that only represents the most elite pilots?

I'm not as ignorant as you might think.