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03-11-2011 | 03:23 PM
#4701
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True dat, but then again, you could say the same about the forum... I know, there is a little bit of difference in the two, but my point is that as long as the orange envelope (I remember when they were blue) keeps comong.. most guys couldn't care less about any of this.
But let me ask you this.
If 1900 guys have cared enough to actually do something to replace ALPA, by turning in a card, what does it say about DPA if only 2 of those have been willing to actually do something BEYOND just turning in that card?
1900 cards; 2 base reps. DPA will fail if those, who support it most fervently aren't willing to do ANY of the heavy lifting.
03-11-2011 | 03:24 PM
#4702
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From: 767er Captain
I mean if we voted every year or even every 2-3 years of halfway between the contract? A vote of confidence or no-confidence?
Seems harmless to me, only 1900 pilots of 12,000 would vote them out right? So there is nothing for ALPA to fear and the idea of the DPA would be washed aside. It's a win win.
Right?
Seems harmless to me, only 1900 pilots of 12,000 would vote them out right? So there is nothing for ALPA to fear and the idea of the DPA would be washed aside. It's a win win.
Right?
03-11-2011 | 03:25 PM
#4703
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From: 767er Captain
t, you're right.
But let me ask you this.
If 1900 guys have cared enough to actually do something to replace ALPA, by turning in a card, what does it say about DPA if only 2 of those have been willing to actually do something BEYOND just turning in that card?
1900 cards; 2 base reps. DPA will fail if those, who support it most fervently aren't willing to do ANY of the heavy lifting.
But let me ask you this.
If 1900 guys have cared enough to actually do something to replace ALPA, by turning in a card, what does it say about DPA if only 2 of those have been willing to actually do something BEYOND just turning in that card?
1900 cards; 2 base reps. DPA will fail if those, who support it most fervently aren't willing to do ANY of the heavy lifting.
03-11-2011 | 04:36 PM
#4705
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03-11-2011 | 06:39 PM
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I think that's exactly it. Caplinger's upset he was furloughed twice and told to back off when he went on his rivet crusade. The other organizers I've met all think ALPA is ignoring their clearly superior ideas for getting a great contract. They tell me all we have to do is be willing to shut the airline down anytime the company doesn't give us exactly what we want - and the money will flow. They are frustrated that their simple plan for forcing the company, courts, and government to do it our way is ignored by ALPA after the fifth time they scream it at their reps.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
03-11-2011 | 07:02 PM
#4707
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From: Poodle Whisperer
I think that's exactly it. Caplinger's upset he was furloughed twice and told to back off when he went on his rivet crusade. The other organizers I've met all think ALPA is ignoring their clearly superior ideas for getting a great contract. They tell me all we have to do is be willing to shut the airline down anytime the company doesn't give us exactly what we want - and the money will flow. They are frustrated that their simple plan for forcing the company, courts, and government to do it our way is ignored by ALPA after the fifth time they scream it at their reps.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
03-12-2011 | 01:41 AM
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03-12-2011 | 03:32 AM
#4709
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From: Flying the SEC
Webster's definition of irony, lifted from a RAH thread.
IRONY: LoitaHills
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ALPA has effectively shown it has a conflict of interest in trying to represent regional carriers. It is structured to favor the highest influx of cash.
I predict a "fail" on the ALPA card drive.
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ALPA has effectively shown it has a conflict of interest in trying to represent regional carriers. It is structured to favor the highest influx of cash.
I predict a "fail" on the ALPA card drive.
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03-12-2011 | 04:34 AM
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I think that's exactly it. Caplinger's upset he was furloughed twice and told to back off when he went on his rivet crusade. The other organizers I've met all think ALPA is ignoring their clearly superior ideas for getting a great contract. They tell me all we have to do is be willing to shut the airline down anytime the company doesn't give us exactly what we want - and the money will flow. They are frustrated that their simple plan for forcing the company, courts, and government to do it our way is ignored by ALPA after the fifth time they scream it at their reps.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
According to them - The 24% that voted AGAINST C2K? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them. The 12% of NWA pilots who voted AGAINST the 10% pay raise in 2003? ALPA screwed up by not listening to them.
Being in the minority sucks. The DPA organizers are learning that fact once again. I wonder if they'll listen to what they're hearing this time. It's a pitter-patter...not a stampede.
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