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04-18-2011, 12:32 PM

#4961

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

ACL65,

Why do our Reps want to hear from us about RJet? What's for us to tell them? Is it their typical response to a scope violation, which is?

(1) Do you have incontrovertible evidence (that we can't sweep under the rug) ?
(2) If there is a scope violation found, what do you want for it ?

No other contractor of mine has billed me over $1,000 this year and followed up the bill with questions like, "you want me to do the job you paid me for, or just let it slide?"

The DPA is flat out not the answer, but as ALPA abdicates it's role as enforcer of our contract, the DPA is going to find more and more desperate converts.

Jet A in the wing at a rough average of $3.30 a gallon puts the question of furloughs and job protection provisions back on the table. As Boyd states "no airplane flying today was designed with these kind of fuel prices in mind."

Well, like any good pilot, I submitted my position along with supporting documentation. This time it was/ is by a neutral third party. It is up to them to decide.

What they decide will have ramifications, whether or not we pursue the claim.

04-18-2011, 01:09 PM

#4962

Maddoggin

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Call your reps and tell them what you think. They have a Special Meeting tomorrow, and I know that many of them want more info on the RJET issue.

I did call my rep to voice my opinion. FWIW he was in agreement and agreed that some sort of explanation is in order. The local reps seem to be on board it's the MEC and National level that I'm worried about.

04-18-2011, 01:19 PM

#4963

Pineapple Guy

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

My bet is that it's going to take longer than that to reach 6,500 cards, and as such, the vote will not take place until after the new contract is signed. It will be nice to have a new union in place then. A union that will actually defend the contract.

The 2018 time frame will depend on the company, the NMB, and DALPA. But it is an excellent plan to have a new union by then to defend the new contract. I'll be 60 in 2016 so I probably won't see very much of the new contract.

Carl

WOW, Carl. So is it your understanding that DPA will continue their card drive while we are in the middle of Section 6 negotiations? That's certainly a recipe to ensure failure for ALL Delta pilots. Hard to maximize our leverage if 2000 guys are trying to decertify the union's collective bargaining agent.

Nice.

04-18-2011, 01:30 PM

#4964

Karnak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

It's not about a good contract. It's about being angry and hating ALPA. There are pilots doing ALPA work who don't do things the way Carl wants them done. If our next contract negotiation has to be hurt to make him feel better, then it's a small price to pay.

04-18-2011, 01:33 PM

#4965

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Uhh, tell me again how that little Texas union is doing with THEIR timeline? You know, the one that has clear concise concrete goals.... of a 50% payraise. How's that working for them?

I'd rather have clear concise goals than none. ALPA/DALPA has shown us nothing but an agenda they cannot share, and no defense of our current contract. Glad you're happy, but 2,300 of us so far are not.

Carl

04-18-2011, 01:36 PM

#4966

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Maddoggin

If the local reps are truly on board, then the MEC has no choice but to move ahead...right? That's how our union is supposed to work...right?

Bueller, buuuuuuueller?

Carl

04-18-2011, 01:40 PM

#4967

tsquare

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Uhh, tell me again how that little Texas union is doing with THEIR timeline? You know, the one that has clear concise concrete goals.... of a 50% payraise. How's that working for them?

In other words, "If you aim at nothing, you'll hit your target every time." - ALPA playbook 3.2.1

Sorry, couldn't resist.

04-18-2011, 01:41 PM

#4968

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

WOW, Carl. So is it your understanding that DPA will continue their card drive while we are in the middle of Section 6 negotiations?

Absolutely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

That's certainly a recipe to ensure failure for ALL Delta pilots.

Anything except staying with ALPA no matter what is a recipe for disaster in your eyes.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Hard to maximize our leverage if 2000 guys are trying to decertify the union's collective bargaining agent.

You need to understand something: Our biggest battle is going to be to force our union to start acting like a union. The biggest leverage we're going to need, is leverage against ALPA. The company needs to understand that the membership is watching now, and the days of negotiating with "new style union leadership" may well be over. I know it's a difficult concept for you because of your love at all costs for ALPA, but...

Carl

04-18-2011, 01:50 PM

#4969

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Karnak

It's not about a good contract. It's about being angry and hating ALPA.

You think that because you don't actually read the posts from whom you disagree with. Your blind rage takes over and, well...blinds you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karnak

There are pilots doing ALPA work who don't do things the way Carl wants them done.

I'm sure that's the case. I'm also sure there are pilots doing ALPA work that agree with my points exactly. But they also know what an uphill battle they face.

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Originally Posted by Karnak

If our next contract negotiation has to be hurt to make him feel better, then it's a small price to pay.

How goofy. Our next contract negotiations will be seriously damaged if our union goes in like the puppy dogs they've been so far. Not even enforcing our Section 1 is sending a terrible message of weakness to management prior to Section 6 beginning. A card drive to throw out the current weaklings is exactly the right message that BOTH SIDES of the table needs to produce the best contract.

But if the majority agrees to stick with ALPA, then so be it. Even though our next contract negotiations has to be hurt, it's a small price to pay for you to have stuck it out with ALPA to make you feel better.

Carl

04-18-2011, 01:58 PM

#4970

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Maddoggin

Well those LEC Reps are the ones that will decide the fate of this. If they opt out, then others can take the action they see fit. It is all part of the mechanisms in place that we have all talked about.

Then again, I seriously doubt that the MEC Administration will not follow the will of the MEC Council. That right there is job suicide.