I'm guessing that is about when ALPA will produce one, so in reality it's a wash.

 

You've clearly illustrated the box in which ALPA finds itself. They cannot divulge their strategy of accepting short term losses for their current members, in order to gain new members in the long term. The only thing they can do is to try and kill any opposition.

If ALPA continues to do nothing except slander their opposition, DPA will get elected because Delta pilots will be disgusted with the ALPA slander and lack of contract defense. If ALPA admits their real agenda, DPA will get elected because no Delta pilot wants to see the contract go unenforced so that other non-ALPA members can benefit.

It's a true no-win situation for ALPA and one that is entirely self inflicted.

Carl

 

Wrong again, Carl. I never made any such claim about Comair and don't make it today. By the way, slander is spoken and libel is written, so if you are going to accuse me of something, at least use the right accusation. The best defense against a libel case is the truth.

The truth is:

Despite DPA's claims of having a full organization ready to go from day one, we have no idea who these people are. They are hiding from the rest of their fellow pilots.

Carl supports Delta pilots ratting out their fellow pilots to MANAGEMENT as long as their little feelings were hurt in a stupid internet cartoon. What next, is the DPA going to start riding jumpseats and rat finking on pilots who oppose them?

DPA has reneged on every promise they ever made to their supporters about drafting and writing a constitution and publicly staffing their organization. Instead of meeting their promised timelines, they simply erased them from history.

DPA is afraid of dissent within their organization and has purged their membership of anyone who might disagree with them.

DPA has hired the law firm that is attempting to overturn a final and binding arbitration award and yet they don't mention seniority ever on their website. All they need to do is put out an official position of what they stand for.

Those are the facts, Jack, and you can accuse me of slander (libel) all day and the truth wins every time. Being a shill for DPA must be very tiring for you Carl, you are off your game.

 

You're unfortunately likely right. If ALPA's recent history in gaining contracts through Section 6 is any indication, we're looking at a good 5-7 year fight... at least. Lately, it's taken mergers to get any progress going.

 

I asked the question: "Are you the same guy". It was a rhetorical question because I couldn't be sure you'd read your latest talking points.

I'm certain you do both. But you're correct that I should have used the correct term when dealing with the posting portion of your attacks...as opposed to the verbal.

Day 1 is when ALPA is decertified, and all leadership is elected by Delta pilots. Thus, they will indeed be ready on day 1.

Carl doesn't support ratting out. I especially dislike DALPA guys running to ATL MANAGEMENT dozens of times whenever they thought they saw a violation of policy or agreement.

ALPA/alfaromeo's new slogan: "Vote DPA and have rat finking pilots ride your jumpseat!!!" You really couldn't do a better job of advocacy for DPA. But be sure to tell us what DALPA guys were doing "rat finking" constantly to ATL MANAGEMENT every time they perceived a violation of policy or agreement? Is it just different and OK when DALPA does it?

Those were never portrayed as promises. They were portrayed as goals to be attained. The actual attainment of 6,500 cards was always going to be the final determinant.

Totally false. But ALPA/DALPA does that to this day.

ALPA's legal team tried to bust a union. And lost. Where is THAT on the ALPA website? DPA's law firm was also hired by USAPA to decertify ALPA. They won against the ALPA lawyers...but that's not saying much. The attempt at overturning an arbitration is being done by the pilots of USAPA. Do you think a majority of pilots at Delta want the seniority list re-arbitrated. You DO understand that it would take a majority vote of all Delta pilots to do that...don't you? You DO know that no law firm could make that happen because they wanted to...don't you?

The truth does win every time. ALPA is in such trouble right now because they can't state the truth. They can only have their minions like you attack after reading the daily talking points.

I'm a strong proponent of leaving ALPA for ANY in-house union whereby only Delta pilots are involved in representing the interests of only Delta pilots. DPA or not, doesn't matter. Just so long as it's in-house...and not ALPA.

Carl

 

Call your reps and tell them what you think. They have a Special Meeting tomorrow, and I know that many of them want more info on the RJET issue.

 

ACL65,

Why do our Reps want to hear from us about RJet? What's for us to tell them? Is it their typical response to a scope violation:

(1) Do you have incontrovertible evidence (that we can't sweep under the rug) ?
(2) If there is a scope violation found, what do you want for it ?

No other contractor of mine has billed me over $1,000 this year and followed up the bill with questions like, "you want me to do the job you paid me for, or just let it slide?"

The DPA is flat out not the answer, but as ALPA abdicates it's role as enforcer of our contract, the DPA is going to find more and more desperate converts.

Jet A in the wing at a rough average of $3.30 a gallon puts the question of furloughs and job protection provisions back on the table. As Boyd states "no airplane flying today was designed with these kind of fuel prices in mind."

 

Nice diversion attempt from a DPA apologist. Nevermind the fact that DPA was taking pictures, running to management telling them that ALPA was intimidating them by simply being in the lounge, which they have every right to be and working feverishly to squash free speech and get a fellow pilot potentially fired, by running to management with the pilots name, because he put out a cartoon on youtube refuting DPA's claims and shining a light of truth on their misrepresentations.

 

You assume too much. Besides, DPA brags about dropping a dime on a fellow pilot.

 

Uhh, tell me again how that little Texas union is doing with THEIR timeline? You know, the one that has clear concise concrete goals.... of a 50% payraise. How's that working for them?