Classic!

You "know" they don't want people at the meetings? How do you "know" this? You pull it out of your butt...then accuse them of pulling opinions out of their butts about the will of the few.

Does it ever make you dizzy when you spin like that?

 

More pilots would participate if they didn't have to do anything to participate?

Coming soon: The meetings should be at 23:00 so I can participate from my AMS layover after my morning run and breakfast! And can't I get someone to log on for me?

 

Oh do you commute back from AMS to your base to participate in the meetings? If so then you are correct all commuters are slackers that are apathetic. If not ...

So why is it that there is not some way to have online meetings, has DALPA gotten so proactively engaged with Delta management that they have actually hired Delta technology to solve this tech problem?

 

The point was made over a year ago, that the end user security is the issue. Most of us cannot fathom someone taping a LEC meeting, or better yet, logging in with a group of individuals present that "may" use what is said against those pilots.

I know crazy that someone would be fired or punished over something, but errant comments about job action etc at a meeting may be used against someone.

That said, our guys have been looking it to some way to go "live" with these meeting for some time. I guess if we push hard enough they will rush to press on it, and then when someone gets burned, we already know who we will blame for not being careful enough.

I know that statement irks people, but those are the facts. Not all people want what is best for you or us. I definitely would not want to see some of the comments made at meeting showing up on You Tube or in the press. As they say, once it is on the internet it is there forever.

 

Okay ACL whatever you say, if security is the issue, using hotel conference/meeting rooms is not the answer.

We will never have a SIPRnet at DALPA, nor do we need one. I personally do not feel like the whole webinar thing should be put on hold to protect the (dare I say) idiot who thinks advocating an "illegal" job action is a good idea.

I also havent been on the receiving end of any ALPA communication that I dont think would survive the scrutiny of youtube. Maybe that is a part of the problem, but the rest of this thread is dedicated to that. I wish that my perception was that DALPA did have some master strategy and/or grand plan that was worth protecting, truth is I do not have that perception.

If you feel like you are the holder of some magical keys to unlock the hidden treasures of the Delta pilots' futures just because you get to eat lunch at the BBQ kitchen with some mustache wearing insider, more power to you. I know you are a line pilot, but as far as DALPA information security is concerned, the Delta pilots need to have some good news leaked...and pretty soon, regardless of who might hear it.

BS flag thrown on security...

I did not intend to shoot the messenger in this post tho, so ACL, no direct offense intended.

 

[QUOTE=FlyingSig;978877]You don't commute, do you?

 

Typical. You totally make light of his statement about (not having to do anything) when you know full well what he means. And then you go on to totally minimalize his concerns...

 

Yes. I am making light of his statement. Democracy, including the representation kind used by our union, requires participation. Participate is an action verb. The notion that you can influence the goals and priorities of your union by sitting on your butt, paying attention when it's convenient to you, is silly.

Before your panties bunch up even tighter, I agree that ALPA needs to make more of the information presented at meetings available to pilots who WOULD attend, but are working. I also think ALPA needs to be more flexible when it comes to scheduling meetings. Nothing in the rules prohibits LECs from holding more than one meeting in a month. We trust what we know more about, so more communication makes us stronger.

But the simplistic idea that live web based meetings from gavel to gavel would be safe and effective for the participants is not well thought out.

How will the DPA conduct meetings? Who knows...they don't have a constitution.

 

My panties aren't bunched Fauntleroy.... I was just commenting on your typical response. Carry on, I know that even though you won't admit it, you feel threatened, and inside it is killing you. I have accepted that the incumbent is not going anywhere.. and they know that so they couldn't care less about the "challenge"... it's all hot air. Just like your posts.

 

[QUOTE=tsquare;979115]I do commute... I have my entire career. My personal pet peeve was always when meetings were scheduled after bids closed. In my opinion it's just as easy to attend a meeting when you commute because you can bid a trip that fits in with both the meeting and the commute and you don't need to give up a day off to be a active participant.