Sure, Carl, this was completely unbiased reporting. I guess this is right up your alley, let someone make unfounded, unverified accusations and then count on the truth never coming out. As I read it, the DPA folks essentially thought they had reserved sections of the lounge that they owned and didn't want anyone near them or looking at them. Now, who is acting like a baby here?

They were intimidated by ALPA people supposedly taking their pictures and then took pictures of the ALPA people as "evidence". So what is it? Can you take the pictures or not, or can only DPA take pictures without being intimidating?

This is the last gasp of a dying organization that has failed completely. I guess they might as well take their last cheap shots before they leave.

I actually was in the lounge during the DPA "surge". I saw the three or four DPA guys sitting there playing with their computers and three or four ALPA guys sitting near them playing with their computers. It was very intimidating, I felt very, very afraid.

 

PG;

Just a thought about perception - and I wasnt in the ATL lounge and dont know about the FPL either.

ALPA is allowed in the lounge, we know that.

Noone has posted anything but professional behavior from the DPA guys. Many have posted about intimidating behavior from the DALPA guys. Why did DALPA feel the need to have anyone there in the first place? The perception from someone who was absent - like me - is that DALPAs presence goes beyond standing up for what you believe in and more likely appears to be territory marking turf defense...IOW childish.

 

I was there for a while. The DPA guys were at the end of one of the long tables nearest the last computer station. The ALPA guys were in the corner by the Coke machine. Both clusters of people were being equally ignored.

 

Thanks for the rational post. It's a breath of fresh air.

I wasn't in the lounge either; and I have no idea whether some ALPA guys were on FPL. It does bug me though that allegations are continually made, then refuted, but no one ever seems to learn to check facts before posting, so many allegations that are untrue end up being accepted.

For example, even you mention that "many have posted about intimidating behavior from the DALPA guys". In reality, the "many" are the same few who do nothing BUT post anti-ALPA stuff, again much of it ultimately unproven. So, absent first hand knowledge, I take all of their postings with a big grain of salt.

IF there was intimidation, that is flat out wrong, and is inexcusable. But with the level of miscommunication going on, I think it is perfectly appropriate for both sides to be there, so that the line pilot has a first hand opportunity to hear both sides of the story. Otherwise, he gets a very slanted, distorted, untrue picture of what is reality.

It's a lot harder for DPA to make stuff up, if an ALPA guy is around the corner to provide his side of the story.

DPA has some valid points; I think the ALPA National budget could be cut in certain areas, and I think there are people in the organization who are overpaid. I voice my concerns to those who can make change; and then go on with my life. I trust them to do the right thing, and they are certainly more involved and understand the issue more fully than me. So if they come back to me with an answer I don't necessarily agree with, I accept it and move on. It's not worth blowing the whole organization up, imo.

As for "intimidation", my, my, my aren't we going soft? Intimidation is a guy swinging a baseball bat at your head, or physically chasing you out of the lounge; not someone standing next to you taking your picture. What are we made of?

 

I didn't even notice the DPA guys, however I did notice the larger concentration of DPA bag tags in the bag area. I quickly recognized the ALPA types standing around at the ungodly hour of the morning I had to sign in and wondered why on earth they were there.

I didn't engage anyone because I have no interest in conversation that time of the morning.

 

That's actually very very funny...

 

Both groups ought to come hang out in the LAX lounge. We're professional ignorers. If nobody is in the lounge when a tree falls, does it make a noise?

 

Best post of the day. Err, I actually mean most FACTUAL post of the day.

 

Not really. You are so colored you can't see beyond what your emotion wants to see; and I truly wish that wasn't the case because you seem to have so much energy that could be put to use helping the pilot group.

Did ALPA representatives come over and forcibly "silence" people in the crewroom? Did ALPA representatives physically restrain any pilots in the lounge from doing anything? If so, why weren't the Atlanta Police contacted. Assault is a serious offense and I have yet to hear of anything of the sort occurring, even by the "DPA" account of the week.

After reading the above excerpt from the PWA, please explain (omitting "emotion" words) why the company should be allowed to freely allow and encourage other incorporated entities to engage in attempting to represent the pilots of Delta Air Lines.

From my perspective(and it could be incorrect, I'm not an RLA lawyer), it would appear to be dangerously close to violating the very first paragraph of the PWA. Many pilots(pro-DPA and pro-ALPA)are concerned about other parts of Section 1 being violated, but noticeably silent on this part of Section 1 and a "potential violation".

If the Company decides to promote an alternate bargaining agent for the pilots, it could have PWA violation potential, so I would expect the Company to tread carefully, and I would expect ALPA, our union to oversee it much like they oversee line construction and the monthly green slip reports to make sure that the company is following the terms of the agreement.

I personally don't care if DPA is in the lounge, but I do care that the PWA is followed, whether it is in pay claims, work rules, or scope.

 

Yeah, nothing biased about your opinions there alfa. The DPA folks didn't have an "essentially thought" agreement with ATL management. They had an agreement. An agreement they secured prior to showing up on the first day. That agreement was tested and fought the entire week by ALPA reps and volunteers. That's a fact. As far as flight pay loss, we won't know for certain until the ATL reps release the flight pay loss data. They will do that...won't they? I would bet that after the publicity this has gotten, anybody that did put in for flight pay loss, will rescind that request.

Hilarious. You must be surrounded by people who never question you. It's the only way you could distort the obvious so completely. Nobody at DPA cares about their picture being taken. Their names and faces are already public! What DPA was angry about was ALPA reps photographing Delta pilots who were talking to the DPA and taking DPA literature to study what they were about. That's what you do to scabs who cross a picket line - NOT to Delta pilots in their own crew lounge. Sickening and shameful. Only the hoplessly entrenched ALPA apologists could ever excuse this behavior.

I completely agree. The dying organization is ALPA...and it's happening right before our eyes. And it's not because of the actions of others. Their death is completely self-inflicted.

BS. Way too many others that reported the exact same thing of ALPA acting very unprofessionally, and the DPA guys just trying to be heard. ALPA must be so proud. If only they defended Section 1 so vigorously.

Carl