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02-24-2011, 12:37 PM
#4462
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
DAL88, get involved and raise heck if you think the current group isn't cutting it.
I know you're all plugged in and immersed in ALPA now. But not all of us are going to serve in some official capacity. What we CAN all do is make sure our reps get our input and "raise heck" when we get results like we've been getting. I think I've filled that square pretty thoroughly.
Now, having said that, I am encouraged by what appears to be a somewhat new direction from the current MEC makeup. I'm a results oriented person... so the jury's still out. It appears they can at least talk the talk. (Which is more than the previous group could do.) Soon we will see if they can walk the walk.
02-24-2011, 02:31 PM
#4463
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Standard DALPA talking point response.
I know you're all plugged in and immersed in ALPA now. But not all of us are going to serve in some official capacity. What we CAN all do is make sure our reps get our input and "raise heck" when we get results like we've been getting. I think I've filled that square pretty thoroughly.
Now, having said that, I am encouraged by what appears to be a somewhat new direction from the current MEC makeup. I'm a results oriented person... so the jury's still out. It appears they can at least talk the talk. (Which is more than the previous group could do.) Soon we will see if they can walk the walk.
I know you're all plugged in and immersed in ALPA now. But not all of us are going to serve in some official capacity. What we CAN all do is make sure our reps get our input and "raise heck" when we get results like we've been getting. I think I've filled that square pretty thoroughly.
Now, having said that, I am encouraged by what appears to be a somewhat new direction from the current MEC makeup. I'm a results oriented person... so the jury's still out. It appears they can at least talk the talk. (Which is more than the previous group could do.) Soon we will see if they can walk the walk.
I think his point is, its really easy to sit on the couch on Sunday and when your favorite team loses, explain what the coach should have done to prevent that. It's a bit tougher to be the coach standing in the position to make those calls each play, and achieve the outcome that appears so obvious, when viewed from the couch.
02-24-2011, 02:44 PM
#4464
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
88,
I think his point is, its really easy to sit on the couch on Sunday and when your favorite team loses, explain what the coach should have done to prevent that. It's a bit tougher to be the coach standing in the position to make those calls each play, and achieve the outcome that appears so obvious, when viewed from the couch.
I think his point is, its really easy to sit on the couch on Sunday and when your favorite team loses, explain what the coach should have done to prevent that. It's a bit tougher to be the coach standing in the position to make those calls each play, and achieve the outcome that appears so obvious, when viewed from the couch.
02-24-2011, 02:53 PM
#4465
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Standard DALPA talking point response.
I know you're all plugged in and immersed in ALPA now. But not all of us are going to serve in some official capacity. What we CAN all do is make sure our reps get our input and "raise heck" when we get results like we've been getting. I think I've filled that square pretty thoroughly.
Now, having said that, I am encouraged by what appears to be a somewhat new direction from the current MEC makeup. I'm a results oriented person... so the jury's still out. It appears they can at least talk the talk. (Which is more than the previous group could do.) Soon we will see if they can walk the walk.
I know you're all plugged in and immersed in ALPA now. But not all of us are going to serve in some official capacity. What we CAN all do is make sure our reps get our input and "raise heck" when we get results like we've been getting. I think I've filled that square pretty thoroughly.
Now, having said that, I am encouraged by what appears to be a somewhat new direction from the current MEC makeup. I'm a results oriented person... so the jury's still out. It appears they can at least talk the talk. (Which is more than the previous group could do.) Soon we will see if they can walk the walk.
I mean that. If you want what you want, then you need to get involved, sacrifice the time, and do the work. It was how my bluff was called, and frankly I am glad I did.
BTW, still just a line guy.
02-24-2011, 02:54 PM
#4466
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Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
So there's not really any point to providing input to our reps, right? I mean, if we can only get things done by serving in some official ALPA capacity, then either all 12,000+ of us need to be serving (who's going to fly the airplanes?), or those of us who are not serving in an official capacity need to shut up and quit Monday morning quarterbacking. Is that what you're saying?
02-24-2011, 03:02 PM
#4467
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Same old talking points from someone that wants change an their direction, but does not want to get their hands dirty.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I mean that. If you want what you want, then you need to get involved, sacrifice the time, and do the work. It was how my bluff was called, and frankly I am glad I did.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
BTW, still just a line guy.
02-24-2011, 03:04 PM
#4468
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Same old talking points from someone that wants change an their direction, but does not want to get their hands dirty.
I mean that. If you want what you want, then you need to get involved, sacrifice the time, and do the work. It was how my bluff was called, and frankly I am glad I did.
BTW, still just a line guy.
I mean that. If you want what you want, then you need to get involved, sacrifice the time, and do the work. It was how my bluff was called, and frankly I am glad I did.
BTW, still just a line guy.
02-24-2011, 03:06 PM
#4469
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
So there's not really any point to providing input to our reps, right? I mean, if we can only get things done by serving in some official ALPA capacity, then either all 12,000+ of us need to be serving (who's going to fly the airplanes?), or those of us who are not serving in an official capacity need to shut up and quit Monday morning quarterbacking. Is that what you're saying?
Providing input is one thing -- asking tough questions is perfectly fine. Holding your leaders accountable is of course acceptable too. But continually Monday morning quarterbacking as if you could do something better gets old really quick, as you have ZERO basis to justify that your position would yield better results than the current path.
Everything is hypothetical to those who never get involved.
02-24-2011, 03:19 PM
#4470
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Of course not; but then again, you knew that.
Providing input is one thing -- asking tough questions is perfectly fine. Holding your leaders accountable is of course acceptable too. But continually Monday morning quarterbacking as if you could do something better gets old really quick, as you have ZERO basis to justify that your position would yield better results than the current path.
Providing input is one thing -- asking tough questions is perfectly fine. Holding your leaders accountable is of course acceptable too. But continually Monday morning quarterbacking as if you could do something better gets old really quick, as you have ZERO basis to justify that your position would yield better results than the current path.
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Everything is hypothetical to those who never get involved.
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