Delta Pilots Association
02-07-2011 | 12:20 PM
#4362
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Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 19
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From: I'm in a box
Section 1 is where we build our language to fend of outside influences and prepare for the unknown like fragmentation. Our scope language prevents Air France/KLM and other code-share partners in the EU from doing what Aer Lingus did with United regardless of who made the open skies agreement or has X freedom rights. We hold the line with our contracts on limiting the impact of agreements than governments make without our input. Call your rep and ask him why Air France can't just pull an Aer Lingus on us? It's because of our scope language not becuse of the way the law is structured. Yes, the JV is separate from the open skies agreements between nations, but the open skies agreements are what lead us to the JV's in the first place. Why didn't Delta just move all it's planes to the EU in the bankruptcy and run them like Aer Lingus? The danger of unregulated open skies agreements is shown clearly with BA's OpenSkies airline and we use Section 1 to defend that kind of thing happening to us specifically. If you don't want to believe that Section 1 is helping keep you job from being taken by foreigners then that's fine but you need to take a closer look at the EU.
02-07-2011 | 03:03 PM
#4363
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 47
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From: Working for the man
I am interested in flying for Delta. I have applied and attend job fairs to get my name & face present.
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure and a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. I also have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure and a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. I also have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
02-08-2011 | 01:08 AM
#4364
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From: Still in one
I am interested in flying for Delta. I have applied and attend job fairs to get my name & face present.
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure and a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. I also have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure and a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. I also have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
02-09-2011 | 08:21 AM
#4365
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Posts: 91
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From: A330
Dpa---->doa!
January 31, 2011
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Xxx Xxxxxxxxx who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Xxxxxxxxx carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave BatesPresident
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Xxx Xxxxxxxxx who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Xxxxxxxxx carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
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02-09-2011 | 08:36 AM
#4366
No longer cares
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,109
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From: 767er Captain
January 31, 2011
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Tim Caplinger who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Caplinger’s group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Caplinger carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Caplinger to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave BatesPresident
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Tim Caplinger who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Caplinger’s group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Caplinger carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Caplinger to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
02-09-2011 | 09:01 AM
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January 31, 2011
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Tim Caplinger who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Caplinger’s group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Caplinger carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Caplinger to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave BatesPresident
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Tim Caplinger who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Caplinger’s group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Caplinger carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Caplinger to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
02-09-2011 | 02:06 PM
#4369
No longer cares
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Saying there is room for improvement is like saying Christina Aguilera screwed up the National Anthem...
02-09-2011 | 02:35 PM
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From: DAL 330
January 31, 2011
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Xxx Xxxxxxxxx who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Xxxxxxxxx carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave BatesPresident
Captain Lee Moak
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
1625 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Captain Tim O’Malley
Chairman
Delta Master Executive Council
100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway, Suite 800
Atlanta, GA 30354
Lee and Tim,
I wanted to take a moment to let you know that I recently responded to an outreach from
Delta First Officer Xxx Xxxxxxxxx who contacted me in his capacity as the leader of the Delta
Pilots Association.
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive
to our profession as a whole. When APA broke away from ALPA in 1963 the labor environment
for airline pilots in the United States was far different than it is today. JFK was the President at
the time and had recently come out strongly in favor of organized pilots in the Southern Airways
dispute of 1962. American’s pilots prospered during the benign days of regulation, but that
prosperity ended abruptly with the onset of deregulation.
I have always thought it is better to work within the existing political framework to
achieve reform than by wreaking havoc upon one’s organization. After I was hired at American,
I led the battle against the two-tier pay system – not by trying to tear things apart, but by working
within the system. Ultimately, with patience and perseverance, we prevailed.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them. Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at
APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the
AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since. They are also involved
on American’s property in a decertification effort with the TWU and were heavily involved with
the disaster which occurred with the mechanics at Northwest.
I further recommended that Mr. Xxxxxxxxx carefully evaluate his group’s present course
of action. I know that institutional inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, however I think that a
Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right
into the hands of management teams across the industry. Lee and Tim, as you are well aware, I
am working in exactly the opposite direction – trying to move pilot unions closer together as
evidenced by the fact that APA has recently signed a services agreement with ALPA to help
APA negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working
diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I
will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of
overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
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