Delta Pilots Association
02-09-2011 | 06:54 PM
#4381
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Moak's statement lays to rest the myth that ALPA national just supports whatever the desires of the local union are. He specifically states that ALPA national's HIGHEST PRIORITY in collective bargaining is to use the RESOURCES of ALPA national to ENSURE a contract is achieved that is in the best interest of the national union. There are a lot of people here that have been saying just the opposite. It's good to get the facts from the horse's mouth.
Carl
02-09-2011 | 06:57 PM
#4382
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Feel free to continue attacking an organization that won't happen. It frees you up from actually reading what Moak said.
Carl
02-09-2011 | 07:00 PM
#4383
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Carl, how about the lead in for some context. Let me post it for you since your vision may not be so good.
"Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities."
Captain Lee Moak, ALPA President
"Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities."
Captain Lee Moak, ALPA President
Moak: At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession.
You miss the fact that this negates the first part entirely. If you don't understand that it's negated, there's no point in you and I discussing this anymore.
Carl
02-09-2011 | 07:04 PM
#4384
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 593
Likes: 0
I made it perfectly clear to Mr. Xxxxxxxxx that in my opinion, a breakaway of the Delta
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive to our profession as a whole.
Yep.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them.
No surprise there. The DPA has gone trolling and picked a real winner with the Seham law firm. Don't they represent USAPA?
Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since.
Bonus points for the non trade unionist, hire a pro-management law firm.
I think that a Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right into the hands of management teams across the industry.
Of course it would play right into management's hands, that what the Seham law firm does.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts.
What! I'm shocked, shocked mind you that the President of the DPA would misrepresent the APA President's position.
To be clear, I will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
President
So much for claims by the DPAers that they'd be welcomed into CAPA with open arms.
pilots from ALPA would likely prove highly disadvantageous for the Delta pilots and destructive to our profession as a whole.
Yep.
I also expressed my significant concerns about the law firm Mr. Xxxxxxxxx's group has
enlisted as their counsel. The Allied Pilots Association had a previous relationship with the
Seham law firm and eventually dismissed them.
No surprise there. The DPA has gone trolling and picked a real winner with the Seham law firm. Don't they represent USAPA?
Shortly after the Sehams were dismissed at APA, they began coordinating with a pro-management dissident group at American called the AICA which has been trying to destabilize and decertify APA ever since.
Bonus points for the non trade unionist, hire a pro-management law firm.
I think that a Delta breakaway from ALPA would further fracture and destabilize our profession and play right into the hands of management teams across the industry.
Of course it would play right into management's hands, that what the Seham law firm does.
Finally, I asked Mr. Xxxxxxxxx to cease misrepresenting my position as part of his
recruitment efforts.
What! I'm shocked, shocked mind you that the President of the DPA would misrepresent the APA President's position.
To be clear, I will wield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of overtures to CAPA.
Sincerely,
Captain Dave Bates
President
So much for claims by the DPAers that they'd be welcomed into CAPA with open arms.
02-09-2011 | 07:07 PM
#4385
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
Moak's statement lays to rest the myth that ALPA national just supports whatever the desires of the local union are. He specifically states that ALPA national's HIGHEST PRIORITY in collective bargaining is to use the RESOURCES of ALPA national to ENSURE a contract is achieved that is in the best interest of the national union. There are a lot of people here that have been saying just the opposite. It's good to get the facts from the horse's mouth.
The horse's mouth is doing ok. It appears you've taken the role of the OTHER end of the horse with your posts.
02-09-2011 | 07:07 PM
#4386
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 593
Likes: 0
And by you ignoring this:
Moak: At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession.
You miss the fact that this negates the first part entirely. If you don't understand that it's negated, there's no point in you and I discussing this anymore.
Carl
Moak: At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession.
You miss the fact that this negates the first part entirely. If you don't understand that it's negated, there's no point in you and I discussing this anymore.
Carl
True trade unionist understand what he is saying, but I'm not at all surprised that you don't.
02-09-2011 | 07:14 PM
#4387
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Moak: At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession.
Carl
02-09-2011 | 07:16 PM
#4388
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Moak: At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession.
Carl
02-10-2011 | 05:45 AM
#4389
At home on the maddog!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,874
Likes: 0
From: Retired (mandatory age 65)
02-10-2011 | 06:21 AM
#4390
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,026
Likes: 0
From: maddoggy dog
Interesting stuff Dal 88.....
So Alpa can't help The APA if it harms Eagle. Am I to infer that Alpa can't help us if our wannabe contract is detrimental to regional Alpa pilots?
Is what Alpa has written to the APA finally proof of the conflict of interest between regionals and majors?
If we are to stay with Alpa how will Alpa prove to us that it can represent ALL our interests. I do not want National to tell us we can't have scope improvements. I believe DPA will actually gain steam if they can prove that Alpa national cannot do a thing about scope. ....actually, the proof is that stupid lawsuit from Comair, right?
I think Alpa stepped on their on foot trying to represent everyone at every level. Too bad it couldn't just be split in two, regional vs majors. At least then we'd have a battle line.
So Alpa can't help The APA if it harms Eagle. Am I to infer that Alpa can't help us if our wannabe contract is detrimental to regional Alpa pilots?
Is what Alpa has written to the APA finally proof of the conflict of interest between regionals and majors?
If we are to stay with Alpa how will Alpa prove to us that it can represent ALL our interests. I do not want National to tell us we can't have scope improvements. I believe DPA will actually gain steam if they can prove that Alpa national cannot do a thing about scope. ....actually, the proof is that stupid lawsuit from Comair, right?
I think Alpa stepped on their on foot trying to represent everyone at every level. Too bad it couldn't just be split in two, regional vs majors. At least then we'd have a battle line.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lbell911
Regional
23
04-22-2012 10:33 AM
